Should Vasal States exist after Emancipation?

[Antilogic]

Wait, are you talking about the accumulated points that determines your relative cost (as in, you get a 10% discount from previous espionage spending), or you mean, if I fail a 5,000 EP mission, I don't lose 5,000 EP and can run that mission again, immediately, without accumulating more points?

Can anyone who has looked closely at the code confirm this?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I don't need code. I can 100 % promise failed EP attempts don't use up points. At all.

You can check easily, too. Right before stealing a tech (or any other mission that costs EP), go into the EP screen and look at the EP accumulated toward the target. If it fails, go back into that screen immediately. No change.

Losing the spy sucks though. The hammer cost balances the fact that if you go all out espionage 1 EP > 1 beaker.

 

[AfterShafter]

Vassal States are a questionable enough investment as is... If you make it so that you WILL lose any vassal states you work at, I doubt anyone will treat them all that seriously in the future.

 

[Antilogic]

I don't need code. I can 100 % promise failed EP attempts don't use up points. At all.

You can check easily, too. Right before stealing a tech (or any other mission that costs EP), go into the EP screen and look at the EP accumulated toward the target. If it fails, go back into that screen immediately. No change.

Losing the spy sucks though. The hammer cost balances the fact that if you go all out espionage 1 EP > 1 beaker.

I was under the impression that you lost the points, which is the exact reason why I haven't tried a heavy espionage economy yet (figuring I don't want to pull the save-reload cheat two dozen times to win...it just doesn't feel like winning). You've given me something to try this weekend.

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

No you don't lose the points. I checked this specifically last night b/c I used a spy to incite revolt so I could take a 100% culture city. It failed, but my points were the same as before I tried.