Shrines minus Polytheism

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I've generally taken polytheism + slavery to this point (slavery for the orders, poly for the shrines) but as I've moved up the difficulty setting it's become harder to manage happiness until the late mid-game when you start stacking major happiness stuff. So this game a free event allowing me to switch to... uh... the not-slavery option (Freedom?) right before I researched the tech for mono/polytheism, so I figured I give something else a try and switched to Freedom and took Monotheism for the orders since I had like 7-8 state religion cities by that point.

It mostly worked out except now I'm wondering if its a good idea to completely avoid building any shrines if you're going to take Monotheism and have a state religion? Some of the civs have pretty lackluster shrines so the bonus you get from being able to build one of each shrine is VERY minor but even so a bunch of your families and court people will start converting to your paganism and hating on you for not being pagan. Not building any shrines at all should mean you can keep basically everybody happy with your state religion unless some dirty foreign religion starts intruding but that's a worry for later.

So, yeah, basically my hypothesis is that if you found a religion and take monotheism you should really avoid building a single pagan shrine, particularly if you can't build the good one that gives you +100% culture bonus for every adjacent mountain... but if you can build that shrine and you're near a mountain range you really should take polytheism and slap down +12 culture shrines everywhere.

Am I barking up the wrong tree here or are building your 4 crappy pagan shrines way more trouble than they are worth if you take Monotheism?
 
You can do it if you go Tolerance law. Otherwise I stick to one or the other.
 
Yes, I am beginning to sour on paganism. It appears an ambassador cannot target a High Synod mission at a pagan religion. If you're going the tolerance route, then an important tool is denied. But otherwise, Tolerance offers a great way to manage discontent, and gives am ambassador something to do (that will earn XP to bump his stats).

Prior to tolerance, trouble seems to really start once a state religions is established, because it causes a major and unavoidable hit to your position with all other religions. So, you can plan for when to cut over to a state religion, presumably when some of the beliefs seem worthwhile (wait to at least be in a position to build monasteries).

Cam't buy beliefs for paganism, so it seems the only incentive to play with them over proper religions is for the immediacy of getting shrine bonuses, and then the possibility that the other civ's will snatch up the other religions. The latter doesn't seem to be a problem in my gameplays.

There's still a fair amount about religions that don't make sense to me though.
 
I'm trying a mono religion run with egypt now, where I just found zoro with the clerics and then eschew all other religions.

Already it is giving me some trouble, because the shrines give a nice cheap early boost to culture, as well as an easy to use border expansion tool to grab key resources.

Even when going non-polytheism, early shrines are rather valuable. 4 cities is all/most of your cities for a considerable time.

I also won't get the tolerance benefit later.

It is, however, a great tool for unity.

Overall the bonuses for multi religion seem stronger. It does cause a lot more diplomatic chaos though.
 
I'm trying a mono religion run with egypt now, where I just found zoro with the clerics and then eschew all other religions.

Already it is giving me some trouble, because the shrines give a nice cheap early boost to culture, as well as an easy to use border expansion tool to grab key resources.

Even when going non-polytheism, early shrines are rather valuable. 4 cities is all/most of your cities for a considerable time.

I also won't get the tolerance benefit later.

It is, however, a great tool for unity.

Overall the bonuses for multi religion seem stronger. It does cause a lot more diplomatic chaos though.

If I'm playing a non-pagan game, I'll make sure to grab drama ASAP for the odeons. Whilst not as good as shrines, they do compensate.
 
Mod plug - Music from the Start!

As annoyed as I am of no music when I get drama after I get doctrine.... it is one of this things that I enjoy. That the game has these little things that give it some personality.

Never getting that mod.
 
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