Size 1 OCC Game

[Smash]

There has been some postings so let us have a go.

I made one up with gold mountain and port access.City is founded with 2nd settler mining city square.You have Alphabet to start.

Game is deity,raging,restarts on.Remember to save before entering any flatland huts less you get hit with an advancer

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Any tips to get those ai civ's friendly to you? Basicly this was what killed me last time.

 

[Smash]

Give them whatever they want

I actually gave 50 to a civ at first contact allready.Don't like to do that but it was either pay up or lose my only horse to a legion.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Give them whatever they want

Even if they ask you the 500 gold in youre vaults you really need to buy that colossus?

Damned ,this game was going good ,i had collosus ,a NON unit vet legion defending my city ,already 2 trade routes ,but science was going awfull slow ,even while using the sea tile for trade.Guess i popped to much huts with science.Anyway ,got killed again by the pesky Ai ,nibbed me with catapults.

 

[Smash]

hehehe..must be MGE.

You'll have to be a more skillful diplomat with MGE..kinda ..more like sneaky..

Wait until you have 3-4 techs to give.This should be able to take them to worshipful and then you can get your goodies out of them all on the same meeting.
Don't contact when you have over 100 gold or so.If they are less than cordial,they will demand most of your gold.Spend it first and then contact them.With low gold levels they will demand tech instead,which you want to give to them anyways.

Alliances and gifts can be done in MGE.Its just abit trickier.Experiment with it.Pick your spots.

With MGE,I found demanding at first contact profitable.Don't make any demand if the other civ demands first though.This will almost certainly result in war with MGE.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Wait until you have 3-4 techs to give.This should be able to take them to worshipful and then you can get your goodies out of them all on the same meeting.

Yeah ,this worked my last game ,but the worshipfull only lasts for a few turn's.You have to effectively go back from time to time always with 3/4 tech's in advance to get some gold out of them.And you got to get it just right ,if you need 4 tech's to sway one and you got only three ,then it's all for nothing ,as you won't have them as ally.And sometime's ,you give them 3 tech's and then they say that for now they have to much work to do ,so they leave you.Now that's really annoying.I noticed that most of the times it only work's to get gold reguraly with the more friendly civ's ,like the Indian's.Aint no much to get out of those damn zulu's anyway.

It was just ,the last game ,most of them came to me and declared war.Not even a demand for gold ,just immediate war.And if they demand gold ,it's all of it.Now you can say ,don't keep to much gold in youre vault's ,but you surely need lots of it if you'r planning to complete collosus and copernicus ,i don't think i can make it on pure production alone.And the moment's after spending? Or they don't wanna contact me ,or i just even aint the tech's to sway them.

Damn Mge ,is this easier in classic?

On the bright side ,these game's go fast ,so you can try it more than once.Afcourse now i know where the other civ's are.
Oh well ,of for another try ,it must be possible anyway.

 

[DvR]

Eeef! I never even knew there was a difference between classic and MGE in that way...

 

[Smash]

Its probably easier in 2.42.Just due to you not having to wait to make negotiations.In the end they hate you in both versions

Played till 20 AD and doing well I think.Collosus and Cope's are built.All civs contacted and alliances producing tons of gold and tech although I just lost a civ to war and I'm not sure if there is room for a restart.Hope so.Currently have 23 techs,of which only 7 are "white".

3900-Bronze Working
3750-warrior
3650-Laws
hut>Currency
3450-warrior
hut>Burial
3400-hut>chariot(supported)
3300-contact Sioux-give 2 techs-alliance-no ask for gift now
3050-contact Egypt-peace
3000-Monarchy-1 turn late
trade Egypt for Writing and Map Making-share maps
gift Map to Sioux and share maps
2900-revolt
2850-govt>Monarchy
2800-barbs land-no worries with 1 city
2550-Sioux gift 25 after tech gifting
2350-contact Zulus-gift Map and share maps-peace
2150-contact Germans-gift all-share maps-peace
2050-Trade
trade Egypt for Masonry
2000-trade Sioux for Horseback Riding-receive 25
1900-contact Greeks-PAY 50-peace-gift techs-share maps
1800-alliance with Egypt-receive 50
alliance with Greece
1650-declare war on Germany for alliance with Zulus-receive 50
1600-ceasefire with Germany
1450-share maps with 4 allies
1400-Greeks gift 25
1350-Egypt-25
Greeks-25
1250-Zulus gift 50
1200-Zulus-25
Greeks-25
Sioux-Warrior Code
1150-Collosus
Sioux 125!!
1050-silver caravan
Sioux-50
975-silver to Wounded Knee-26 bonus
950-copper caravan
Sioux-50
Zulus-25
Egypt-50
Greeks-50
925-Math
trade Greeks for Mysticism
Sioux-50
900-gold caravan
875-copper to Wounded Knee 26 bonus-routes are +2
Zulus gift 50
850-library
825-gold to Wounded Knee 26 bonus
750-Zulus gift Poly
725-Greeks-25
Sioux-25
Egypt-25
700-market
contact Persia-peace-share maps
650-Astronomy
trade Egypt for Literacy and The Wheel
Sioux-25
Greeks 25
Zulus 50
600-Greeks 25
Egypt 25
550-Sioux-25
Zulus 50
500-alliance with Persia-receive 125
Egypt 50
425-Zulus gift 50
325-Greeks 25
300-Egypt 50
Persia 75
Greeks 25
250-Cope's Observatory
The Republic
trade Sioux for Philosophy
revolt
225-govt>Republic
disband warrior
Sioux-Iron Working
Greeks 25
Egypt 100
Persia 50
Zulu 25
150-Sioux-50
Persia 50
125-Sioux-50
Greeks 100
Persia 25
Zulus 25
75-Persia 50
Egypt 50
Zulu-Feudalism..lost my 10 sheild slot
25-Greeks gift 200!! they just got a leader last turn
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1AD-Persians destroy Germans..don't know if there is room for a restart
20-Zulus 50
Egypt-Pottery
Persia-150

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

I've never tried an OCC before, let alone one at size 1. I tried it on 2.42 since I figured the AI would be easier.

I didn't keep a log though.....

1 AD:

1AD Save

The main issues I have are that I built and delivered my three caravans, but have not had the choice to rebuild any of them since then. I got bogged down in other techs before trying to get to Astronomy. Techs are at 27 turns tight now. To complicate that my Key Civ is now the only Civ that I am at war with. I am allied with all the other Civs. Then, to top it off, I was trying to build the optimal road path to one of my delivery cities, but then they put a unit right on where I think the path is suppose to go. I probably also wasted gold on buying some units, but they have worked out pretty well by taking out barb leaders.

2.42 is hugely different from MPG. I'm wondering if we should separate them for the GOTM. The hut results were great and the AI is happy to give me money most of the time.

 

[cliff]

I went for early Republic and I'm not sure why but I used the NON settler as a scout hoping to find huts near the Sioux which would give another NON unit so the settler could return home. This didn't happen and my settler went further and further away. I got into a war with the Zulus (maybe should have payed 50g instead) and I succesfully used the settler in this war, putting it on a mountain and letting horsemen and warriors attack it. When they started building Legions I decided it was time to return home. The disadvantage is I don't have a road to the city I'm trading with, Sparta.

I built a trireme and sent diplomats to the north and south poles to look for huts which so far has been succesful.

3900 Code of Laws
3650 Writing
3550 Hut Archer
3400 Hut 50g
3300 Literacy
3200 Hut 50g
3150 Sioux - give Literacy - peace, Library built
2950 Hut 25g
2900 Republic
2850 Form Republic, Trade for Bronze Working with Sioux
2750 Egypt destroyed by Germans
2700 Greeks - alliance
2600 Hut Horseman
2550 Currency
2200 Trade
1750 Map Making
1550 50g Greeks, share maps
1500 war with Zulus
1450 Aztecs - alliance, CF zulus
1400 50g Greeks
1300 Masonry
1200 Silver Rome-Sparta 88g
1150 Alliance with Sioux, 100g gift
1050 Ceremonial Burial
1000 Aztecs 25g

950 A 25g
900 Gold Rome-Sparta 32g, Copper Rome-Sparta 32g, G 25, A 25
875 Mathematics
850 Barb archer bribed
800 War Zulus, Barb leader 150g, A 50g
775 Hut barbarians
750 G 50, S 25
700 War Persians
675 Mysticism, G 50, S 50
625 CF Persians, G 50, S Iron Working
575 Hut Astronomy
550 G Warrior Code
525 A 50
475 Hut Chariot
450 CF Zulu
400 Philosophy, University, G 50, S 50
350 Hut Theory of Gravity, A Banking, G Wheel, S Horseback Riding
325 S 50
300 A 50
275 Hut 50g
250 Germans, Construction, Pottery, Peace, G 50
225 Rome builds Copernicus, Peace w persians
175 Hut Bridge Building, Hut Economics, G 50, S 50
100 Alliance Persians
1 G 50, S 50, P 50

I h ave 26 techs, Cope's, Library, University and three trade routs (3 arrows each).

Science: 64b/turn, discoveries 11 turns.

4 Allies.

 

[cliff]

20 Zimbabwe builds Colossus, Engineering
80 Hut Crusaders P 150
100 A 50, P 125, S 50
120 Hut 25, P 50
140 P 50, G 50
160 P 25
180 G Medicine, P 25
200 Hut Crusaders, Hut Barbarians, P 25
220 Peace Zulus, P 100, G 50, S 50
240 Hut Chemistry, A 50
260 Invention, P 150
280 P Polytheism
320 Rome builds Newton's College, S 50
340 A 50
400 S 50
420 P 50
440 A 50, P 25
460 P 25, G 50, S 50, Democracy, Form Democracy
500 P 25, G 50

32 techs, 120b/turn, discoveries 7 turns.

 

[Smash]

No need to make separation between 2.42 and MGE.I wish I had a version of MGE so I could show how alliances can be milked.The earliest OCC landing were done with MGE by Ribannah iirc.

Anyhoo,played the next session until 1020AD.

Still going ok.35 techs now and 4 wonders(Leo's is the other".I did finally get the road connection bonus and I have bribed one settler with the idea of Leo's upgrade to engineers and then RR to Wounded Knee.There are 2 different routes that qualify for connection bonus.Needless to say I had a little trouble getting the right squares .Don't know if building Leo's was worth it or not,but I had a pile of camels lying about so...

I also have not been able to build any commodities since the first 3.Unblocking techniques do not work in OCC.

Allied with 5.I am 7th in a few demographics so blue did restart.I just havn't found them "again" yet.Soon I hope.


80-University
100-build university
hut>legion(non)
125-Sioux 50
Greeks 50
Persia 50
Zulus 50
160-hut>50 gold
180-Zulus 50
Egypt 50
Persia 200!!!
Greeks 50
peace with Germany
260-Gravity
trade Sioux for Banking
hut>50 gold
Greeks 50
Persia 100
Zulu 50
280-Sir Isaac's-108 beakers while working water
320-build bank
hut>Medicine
340-Zulus 50
Egypt 50
Persia 50
380-Egypt 50
Persia 100
Zulus 50
400-Economics
trade Sioux for Construction
hut>50 gold
420-stock exchange
460-diplomat
establish embassy with Sioux
Sioux 50
Persia 50
Zulu 50
500-diplomat
Zulu 50
Egypt 50
Persia 50
Greeks 100
Sioux 50
520-Persia 50
Greeks 100
Sioux 50
540-diplomat
bribe Sioux pike-93 (non)
560-Engineering
Zulu 50
Persia 50
Greeks 75
Sioux 50
580-diplomat
establish embassy with Greece
trade Sioux for Bridge Building-receive 100
640-Zulu 50
Egypt 50
Persia 100
Greeks 150
660-disband warrior
680-Egypt 50
Persia-Chivalry
700-Persia-250!!!
Greeks 100
routes +4 120 beakers
720-Invention
740-Sioux 50
Greeks 50
Persia 100
Egypt 50
Zulu 150
760-Zulu 50
Egypt 50
800-establish embassy with Egypt
Sioux 50
Persia 100
840-routes +6 150 beakers
860-Chemistry
Sioux 50
Persia 100
Zulu 50
900-Greeks 200
Persia 50
Zulu 50
920-diplomat
940-Zulu 50
Persia 100
960-diplomat
980-bribe Sioux settler 400
1020-Democracy-instant revolution
Leo's Workshop

 

[Smash]

I'll just add that my settler has been doing the improving around Wounded Knee.Irrigated and roaded the rivers for them.It is built 1 square from being able to reach 2 gold mountains iirc.Tremendous potential lost there

 

[ElephantU]

This game would be easier if you had not chosen White as our civ: if another civ is KeyCiv, you can tech-gift and get a lower beaker count that when you are your own key civ.

Question to several players: was building Colossus worth it? You are only working two squares, so you only get two extra arrows out of 200 Shields.

Did anyone use the Forest rather than the Ocean for faster building (vs slower tech)?

A single starting tech is also a hindrance, as you could really use a few to set up a tech advantage. Also, I think I remember Samson talking about having a Forested River tile within his city radius.

I played this one to 1AD over the weekend but found my tech slowing down significantly. Alliances with Sioux and Greeks, Early Republic and gifted to all civs, 3 trade routes (Greeks, Sioux, Zulu) pretty quickly, NONE Archer defending city, 1 or two Barb Ldrs captured. Some gold coming from alliances but difficulty building things. All caravans blocked; most unblocking strategies assume your Supply commodities change over time due to increasing size of city, addition of techs, or transformation of terrain. The only one that is changing in this game is the techs, and they are slowing down so much that I am struggling to keep up with gifting demands. Not good.

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

I mulled over Colossus a bit. But, since money was plentiful, caravans were quickly being built and stockpiled I built it. It only gives 2 trade, but I figured when added into the equation with the Library, University, Observation, and Newtons it would all add up.

 

[ElephantU]

This is Samson's Size1 OCC link:

http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum3/HTML/001830.html?10

He used the Chinese, which are Cyan/#5. He did not mention starting techs, but he did look around a bit before founding, and I think he used Gold next to a river.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Actually samson mentioned the techs when he founded the city - Alphabet, Code, and Masonry - Half way to early Republic when he founded the first city, plus an instant advantage on gifts and keyciv gifting. Having 3 none units from huts before founding his city didn't hurt, either. This game looks to be much more of a challenge.

 

[Smash]

With a size 1 city,you start to wonder if anything is worth building

I think Collosus was worth it.As mentioned,any little bit has to help...I think.

Yes I used the forest early to speed up warriors.Never thought of it but a forested river would be most beneficial.

I've had a bad happening where my trade routes went from +6 to plus +4 for no apparent reason.Roads are clear and still intact and the AI did not change governments.Can't figure it out at all.Science went all the way down to 9 turns with many techs left yet to discover.Lord knows how many turns it will be if I actually make it to Spaceflight

I think I will be quite pleased just to win this.It could be very exciting down the stretch.

 

[ElephantU]

Samson's AC landing was 1890...

 

[cliff]

I gave up.

I have played till about 1700AD but I never got the road bonus and I don't know why. I sent a diplomat to Sparta, which I am trading with, with the goto command and built a road on the path that he went. Trade routes still bring in 3 arrows each though, which is the same as in the BC's. The Greeks are Democrats and I have built roads around Sparta but that doesn't seem to help either.

Good points made by Elephant and I would like to add one thing also. If we play another game it would be nice to have our city close to an AI city and preferrably the capital of a science oriented civ.