Size 4 OCC

[Smash]

Yep..thats right size 4.Deity landings in the 1800s so far.Its alot easier than I thought.
In the "fortnight 25" occ comparison game(2 whales 2 wine city square=plains) at Poly I'm just raking in the gifts from 5 allies.Have been almost from the start.Every 2-3 turns I get minimum 250(50 each) but usually I get between 350-500.
I'm on the push to Computers now and have over 6000 gold and 40+caravans ready for the spaceship.Basically,its built allready.Just a matter of getting the techs.
Current research rate is 4 turns.Saw 3 turns for awhile,then 4,then 5 then 1 tech needed 6 before Automobile.Superhighways brought it back to 4 and should hold there until Computers.I'm hoping for 4 turns per after that until Fusion but probably will drop to 5 and 6.

AND...someone has done it with a SIZE 1 city.Size 1 occ on deity.Who would have imagined?

[This message has been edited by Smash (edited April 21, 2001).]

 

[stormerne]

My mind boggles!

I've heard about this Once City Challenge stuff but never tried it myself. Is sounds mind-mangling! Is there anything about it on the CivFanatics site? Any competitions? Is it only ever against the AI? Does it mean you can't conquer anyone else's city? How do I learn? ... aarrgghhh so many questions!


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[peterval]

Please tell how you get these tributes. Even with Marco Polo most civs wont ally with me and those that do get fed up after the odd gift. How do you make and keep these enthusiasts?

[This message has been edited by peterval (edited April 22, 2001).]

 

[Smash]

1st you go here and read the "Paulicy"

Gifts are gotten thru alliances.To get allainces you gift all techs.Everything up to Combustion.I mean you meet a new civ,you gift everything you have.That brings them to worshipful.You can gift right up to Fusion Power but you need to use your judgement.
This is harder in MGE but can be done.You wait longer until you can gift 4 or more techs.Then gift away.One of the better OCCers(Ribannah) uses MGE exclusively.So it is possible.Much easier in 2.42 though- although Rib's landings are usually the earliest or darn close.

The game we used for this can be found here
A slightly edited position with 2 whales,2 wine and a plains city square so you get just enough food for size 4 when working the specials.1 hut has been opened(to remove random luck) and you have a horseman.


here is a log of my game:


2.42 deity

Arrival-1879ad

Collosus-2250bc
Cope’s-575bc
Sir Isaac-325bc
Darwin’s-660ad
Apollo-1828ad


Trade-1950bc
Construction?-1550bc
Automobile-1640ad
Computers-1788ad
Space Flight-1826ad

Monarchy-2250bc
Republic-925bc
Democracy-25bc

Trade Routes Established
1-1250bc
2-1050bc
3-975bc

size 4-2350


4000-Rome
3900-hut-horseman(supported)
3800-hut-horseman(supported)
3800-warrior
3750-Bronze Working
3650-hut-archer(non)
3500-contact Carths-alliance
hut-Currency
hut-barb horse-terminated
3450-size 2
3350-hut-50 gold
3200-contact Egypt peace
3150-Burial
2900-hut barb horse-terminated
2800-contact Vikings-peace-trade for Alphabet
2700-hut-horseman-non
2650-size 3
2600-hut-Code of Laws
2550-trade Egypt for Masonry
2400-contact Japan-peace
2350-Monarchy-settler joins city-size 4
2300-revolt
2250-govt-Monarchy-Collosus
2200-”We Love the King”
hut-nomad
Carths gift Horseback Riding
2050-hut barb archer
1950-Trade-horseman KIA
trade Japan for Warrior Code
1900-market
1800-hut-Mysticism
1750-copper caravan
1550-wine caravan
Carths-50
Trade Egypt for Construction
1500-tribute-Egypt 50
Vikings 50
Japan 50
1450-dye caravan
hut-chariot(non)
1400-library-can’t find the other 2 civs.6th in family size-should be 7th unless 1 got stuck on the pole
1250-copper to Carthage 62
1200-temple
1150-tribute-Egypt 100
Japan 50
1100-Literacy
1050-wine to Carthage 62
1050-hut-The Wheel
975-dye to Carthage 62
Carths 25
925-The Republic-instant revolution-coal caravan
Carths 25
825-contact Americans-gift all=alliance-receive 100
hut-Engineering
800-barb leader 150
Carths 25
750-Mathematics
650-coal to Carthage 66
625-copper caravan
600-Astronomy
Americans 50
575-Cope’s
525-barb leader 150
450-Philosophy>University
Carths 50
Americans 100
alliance with Vikings receive 50
425-build university
Carths 25
400-Americans 150
375-copper to Carthage 74
350-Gravity
325-Americans 50
Carths 50
300-Sir Isaac’s
alliance with Egypt-receive 100
250-Banking-coal caravan
225-alliance with Japan-receive 25
200-Carths 50
Americans 50
Vikings 50
150-Invention
100-hut 50 gold
25-Democracy-instant revolution-coal to Carthage 37
hut-50 gold
____________________
AD1-Japan 25
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 50
40-Iron Working
100-Map Making-gift and share maps with all 5
160-Bridge Building
180-Carths 100
Americans 100
Egypt 150
Vikings 50
Japan 100
200-trade Americans for Economics
240-Pottery
280-diplomat
320-Seafaring
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 100
Carths 200
400-Navigation
Carths 100
Americans 50
Egypt 50
Japan 75
420-Vikings 50
Japan 50
480-Physics
Japan 50
Egypt 50
500-share maps with all
560-Steam Engine-copper caravan
bribe barb legion 82(supported)
Americans 50
Japan 100
Vikings 50
600-barb leader 150
620-Carths 100
640-Railroad
Americans 50
Japan 50
660-Darwin’s>Industrialization>Magnetism
disband legion
680-transport
720-The Corporation
740-Japan 100
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 50
Carths 125
760-Egypt 50
Carths 150
800-trade Carths for Gunpowder-receive 150
820-Japan 100
Vikings 50
840-Metallurgy
860-copper to New York 46
Carths 50
Vikings 50
Japan 50
880-oil freight
Egypt 50
920-Atomic Theory
940-Carths 50
Vikings 50
Japan 100
980-Japan 50
Egypt 100
Americans 25
Carths 50
1000-Electricity
1040-bribe barb knight 82
Egypt 50
Americans 50
1060-barb leader 150
1080-factory
Americans 50
1100-Electronics-oil to Boston 69
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 25
1120-hydro plant
1180-Steel
Japan 75
Egypt 50
Americans 100
Carths 75
1200-oil freight
Carths 50
Vikings 50
Japan 50
1240-Japan 50
Egypt 50
Americans 50
Carths 50
1280-Medicine
Carths 50
Egypt 50
Japan 25
1320-Japan 150
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 50
Carths 100
1340-hut 100 gold
pay Vikings 150 to maintain alliance-receive 50 back
1380-Chemistry-trade Egypt fro Conscription
1400-share maps with all
1420-oil to Boston 78
Carths 150
Americans 100
Vikings 50
1460-bribe Egyptian cannon 98
Vikings 50
Americans 50
Carths 50
1480-Explosives
1510-oil freight
Carths 50
Americans 50
Egypt 75
Vikings 50
1530-bribe barb crusader 82(supported)
barb leader 150-
disband crusader
Carths 100
Americans Sanitation
Egypt 75
Japan 75
1540-Refining
1550-Japan 25
Vikings 50
Egypt 50
Americans 50
Carths 50
1560-oil to Carthage 39
1570-coal freight
Japan 50
1590-Combustion-silk feight
Japan 50
Vikings 50
Egypt 150
Americans 50
1610-silk to Utica(demanded)176
Americans 50
Japan 100
1620-Egypt 50
Americans 50
1630-oil freight
1640-Automobile
Carths 75
Americans 50
Japan 50
1650-superhighways-coal to New York(demanded)310
1670-Mass Production-coal freight
Americans 50
Egypt 100
Vikings 50
Japan 50
1700-Carths 50
Americans 150
Egypt 50
Japan 100
1710-Feudalism
1730-Carths 50
Americans 100
Egypt 200
Vikings 50
Japan
treasury-5187
1750-Chivalry
Japan 50
1752-oil to New York(demanded)486
1754-Leadership-coal to new York(demanded)347
Carths 50
Americans 100
Egypt 50
1758-Carths 50
Americans 50
Egypt 50
1760-Tactics
Japan 150
Vikings 50
1762-Carths 50
Americans 50
Egypt 50
1764-Carths 200
Americans 50
research takes a big hit 4turns>8-forces me to gift all including Combustion 8>4
1766-Carths 50
Americans 50
1768-Machine Tools
barb leader 150
Carths 50
Americans 50
1770-Egypt 50-1774-Carths 200
Americans 50
Egypt 50
1776-Carths 200
1778-Miniaturization
bribe barb dragoon 102(supported)
1780-Carths 250
Americans 50
Egypt 50
1784-barbs land and kill archer
Carths 150
Americans 50
1788-Computers
Japan 150
1790-research lab 528 beakers
1794-Carths 150
Americans 150
1796-Flight-research 6 turns
1798-Americans gift Poly-gift to all-research>4 turns
1800-Egypt 100
1804-Radio
1810-Americans 100
Egypt 50
treasury 8065
1812-Advanced Flight
1820-Rocketry
1826-Space Flight
Americans 100
1828-Apollo
1834-Plastics
1842-Nuclear Fission
1844-Japan cancels alliance
1850-Nuclear Power
1854-The Laser-15 structurals ready
1859-Superconductor
1860-6 components
1863-3 modules ready
1864-Fusion Power-LAUNCH
barracks
65-SAM-trade Japan for mobile Warfare.oops barracks sold
66-barracks
67-coastal fort
68-armor
69-airport
70-fighter
71-Robotics
Japan sneak attacks
fighter
72-howitzer
73-alpine troop
74-alpine troop
75-alpine troop
77-alpine troop
1879-ARRIVAL AC

[This message has been edited by Smash (edited April 23, 2001).]

 

[Cactus Pete]

Smash,

Please explain the "Research takes a big hit. . ." line in your 1764 entry.

 

[Smash]

I mean it went from 4 turns to 8 after originally showing 4 turns for the tech.These adjustments occur frequently.Its rather complicated but you can be given "extra" beakers to research or have some taken away from the total needed for the next tech.It has to do with your tech level in relation to a "key" civ.Supposedly this "key" civ is the one ahead of you when rankings are done.You know those "such and such completes his epic history" rankings?Supreme,strong,pathetic etc?

So I gifted what techs I had left plus Combustion.Combustion is dangerous cuz the ai may research Flight killing the Collosus before you want.I only recently learned of this "key" civ thing but I gift techs to all so that is covered.
The result was 8 turns went back to 4.On the same turn and with me doing nothing but gifting techs.

 

[Flatlander Fox]

I have tried this several times, but NEVER with a size four city. Geez!!! I always am winning up until the point where I begin to build the spaceship then other civ's overtake me with building power.

Oh well *sighs*.

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[TimTheEnchanter]

I was lurking over there yesterday and saw that a couple guys have gotten to AC with a size 1 city!!!

Also, the "key civ" that adjusts your tech appears to be tied to certain sheild COLORS and your powergraph position, not just whoever is one above or below you.

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[Cactus Pete]

Thanks, Smash. I don't recall reading anything about gifting techs in the manual. If, indeed, there is a "key" civ, identifying which one would seem to have great potential utility. Is there a source of information about gifting? If not, I've a couple of clarifying questions:

Does it work the same way when you're not in OCC (or not behind in some sense) and the game is presumably taking pity on you?

Do you have to gift all your techs, or is there some relationship between number of techs given and percentage of required beakers reduced?

 

[Smash]

here is how the key civ thing works:

These are the civs
1 White
2 Green
3 Dark Blue
4 Yellow
5 Light Blue
6 Orange
7 Purple

These are the rankings
1 Pathetic
2 Weak
3 Inadequate
4 Moderate
5 Strong
6 Mighty
7 Supreme

Your key civ is the one that is in the civ spot that corresponds tp your rating
IE:You are strong,your key civ is light blue
Weak=green
Supreme=purple
etc

It works for non occ games but at some point shouldn't have too great an effect.More important for smaller civs trying to shave every turn possible.

I think the magic # is 3 techs.But I'm not sure.IE-if you are 3 techs ahead of your key civ then you get a research "penalty" and have the total required increased.Vice versa for the 3 techs down.

Also what happens is your rating will change,changing your key civ.This could effect research rates.

So far,this "key civ" is standing up to testing...

 

[Cactus Pete]

Thanks for the quick response, Smash. Are you sure, though, that you've got it covered?

What becomes the "key civ" if you are the color corresponding to your own ranking?

What happens when there are less than 7 civ's and thus both rankings and colors are missing?

Finally, is there a trick for finding out at any time during the game what your ranking is?

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally posted by Cactus Pete:
Thanks for the quick response, Smash. Are you sure, though, that you've got it covered?

What becomes the "key civ" if you are the color corresponding to your own ranking?

Then you are always equal to your key civ (yourself) and get neither a penalty nor a bonus.

Originally posted by Cactus Pete:
What happens when there are less than 7 civ's and thus both rankings and colors are missing?

Not sure about less than 7 civs, but they said if your key civ is destroyed (i.e., if you are supreme and the Purple civ is dead), it could mean you are always in research penalty.

Originally posted by Cactus Pete:
Finally, is there a trick for finding out at any time during the game what your ranking is?

Click on the Foreign minister and it will tell you (e.g., "Your power is supreme and your reputation is spotless"



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[peterval]

This process of gifting and receiving tributes is fascinating stuff and one I have never studied. I wonder if there is a precise formula (like in IMP2).
I know there is a scale - worshipful=0 and enthusiastic=1 to 10 etc but how does gifting and asking for money affect it I wonder?

[This message has been edited by peterval (edited April 25, 2001).]