Space racing allies

[n3o]

Hi

First of all, since this is my first post, thanks for a great forum.

To the point. I play the Romans on Monarch (large map/ continents/ 6 comp. ). The year is 1750 and I'm in good histograph-lead. I have conquerd the Egyptians and the Russians. I have also just destroyed the German space ship. Everything's fine then? No. Both my ally England and China, who has MPP with the English are building space ship. I have lots of Tanks, so I think I could take out at least the Chinese ship. But I'm afraid I'll get the whole world aganist me if I attac them.

What to do?

I have no chanse to compete in the space race.

 

[Shillen]

Why can you not compete in the space race? What tech are you up to? How is your income? Production?

Are the Chinese and English on the same land mass as you? How strong are their militaries?

I need more information.

 

[n3o]

I can't compete because it would take me at least 30 turns to even get to start building the ship.

I think I could take out at least one of them. But I'm already at war with the Germans (had to destoy their space ship) and I'm afraid that both England and Persia (MPP with me and Eng.) would declear war on me if I attac China. That would leave me with four enemies and no allies.

To sum up:

Rome (me):
Strongest military.
War against: Germany
MPP: England, Persia

England:
High-tech, buílding space ship
War: Germany
MPP: Rome, Persia, China

China:
Building space ship
High-tech:
War: Germany
MPP: England

Persia:
Not very strong, no space ship yet
War: Germany
MPP: Rome

Germany:
Destroyed space ship
War: Everyone
MPP: none

 

[Dr Elmer Jiggle]

Assuming China is relatively nearby, declare war on China and sit back and wait for them to attack first. Then England and Persia will join you, and you can start your offensive. Hopefully England will have enough problems with China that their spaceship will be delayed until you can go after them yourself.

Alternatively, do the same thing with England/China reversed.

Is this what people call MPP rape?

If you don't want to wait to be attacked, declare war on one and then immediately bribe the other into an alliance, though that might be expensive.

 

[Uncle Dynamite]

Mutual Protection Pacts favor the person who has been attacked, whether or not the victim was the one who declared war. To expound on Dr. Elmer, if you declare war on the Chinese, simply wait until a unit of theirs attack you. This might put you at a disadvantage, but England will attack China because they took first shot and was the "aggressor" despite the fact that you are the true aggressor. Use this tactic to break up all the MPPs in your favor. As the battles rage on, spaceship production will come to a near halt, giving you a fighting chance.

Uncle Dynamite