Spearman VS tank

[gerth6000]

Since when is it possible to beat tanks with wooden sticks? In WW2 polish cavalry charged against german panzers because they had been told that the panzers were made of paper. They were wrong....

Yes. The Polish Winged Lancers did lost that battle. But they still knocked out a couple of tanks. A few were lucky (or good) enough to charge their lance through the front viewport of the tank killing the driver, making it pretty worthless for some time.

 

[Commander Bello]

I think, the story about the Polish cavalry attack versus German Panzers belongs to "modern tales".
There has been an incident though, at which Polish cavalry crossing open plains were spotted by German tanks and of course, the poor guys took dramatic losses.
The German propaganda then made use of this to show their "superiority".

 

[Garbarsardar.jr]

see (http://www.achtungpanzer.com/polcamp.htm).again

 

[Commander Bello]

see (http://www.achtungpanzer.com/polcamp.htm).again

I quote from your source:

Polish Campaign is surrounded by numerous myths such as the destruction of Polish Airforce in the opening hours of the invasion and Polish Cavalry charges against German armored units. Both myths are creations of German and even Italian propaganda and are very far from truth. Polish cavalry was active during the campaign and acted as horse mounted infantry. One of the most successful cavalry charges took place at Krojanty, where elements of 18th Uhlans Regiment attacked and destroyed German infantry battalion only to be counterattacked by German armored unit

May I add some more information: The western allies of Poland expected a German-Polish war to last for at least one year, more probably 18 months. They even assumed that the Polish army would be able to counter-attack and nail German defenses east of Berlin.
All this would have given them enough time to mobilize and to slowly and carefully invade Germany. At that time they did respect the "Westwall" as being as strong as the "Maginot line" (both proved to be weak during the course of the war), and for that, planned to weaken it by constant artillery and air bombardment first.

What was completely new to both, the Polish army as well as to France and Great Britain, was the concept of the "battle of the combined arms" (infantry, artillery, tanks and air force in close coordination at the same theatre) as well as the German shock elements (an early version of "shock and awe"), for instance the "Jericho sireen" of the infamous "Stuka" (Junkers Ju-87 dive bomber), which indeed proved to have a demoralizing effect on defenders to which this concept was unknown.

 

[Garbarsardar.jr]

I agree completely, furthermore the most advanced tank force of the time was french(as the biggest land army) but because of the speed of German advance they did not manage to put it it in any good use. A very good source isanzer commander by Gouderian.
But if the French had strategically positioned Spearmen in all their mountains....aaaaahhh that would be a completely different story lol

 

[Eyeoftiger]

The chances of losing an elite Panzer to a conscript Warrior are well under 0.001%.

Not something I'm worried about as a major game imbalancer...

I'm sure he was not telling the truth...just saying it for the sake of the topic.

 

[akillias]

Maybe a spearman unit represent at least 1000 foot soldiers and sometime a tank may run out of ammo and destroy itself.

 

[Commander Bello]

Maybe a spearman unit represent at least 1000 foot soldiers and sometime a tank may run out of ammo and destroy itself.

From the unit graphics I'd say it's just 125 foot soldiers after 25 miles of marching exposed to the sun and sometimes a tank division, well trained, at full ammo and driving by 40 mp/h.

 

[Mewtarthio]

You can tell all that from purely representative graphics? Wow!

 

[KaNick]

 

[ShADoW^HawK]

LOL!! Ok, I think that the solution would just be making the AI want to upgrade their units much more than they do now.

And, seriously, unless its a scenario, then you shouldn't have modern armors and your oposing civs still be in the Ancient age. They should at least be late medieval or early industrial.

But, if you guys still want to, then you could have that 2x2x2x"attack value" for how many sets of 10 techs a player has compared to his opponent.

 

[akillias]

We could say that the tank got partially engulfed by the earth du to his massive wight and that the savage just took the opportunity to destroy it with their spears

 

[Tomoyo]

You could also think that the spearmen captured a tank miraculously, then used that tank (with their magically received tank knowledge) to destroy all 999 other tanks.

 

[akillias]

because a tank is more expensive than 1000 sticks i dont think they would be stupid enough to send 1000 tanks on 1000 stickmen

 

[ShADoW^HawK]

Wow. Let's end this thread, It's becoming a spam thread !

Just increase the AI's value for upgrading their units by a lot, so that their units that they are already paying GTP for will be useful, and maybe input that 2x2x2x"Attack power" system in.

 

[akillias]

Nah, the only real problem is the stats, i mean tanks and all other vehicle should have a physical immunity to melee attacks, while they are weak against bullets.

 

[KaNick]

The Tank VS. Spearman thing isn't that big of a problem. I think that it is fine the way that is.

 

[ShADoW^HawK]

Seriously, how many tanks do you lose to spearmen, and how many spearmen lose to tanks? There's your satisfaction.

 

[Berrern]

And, seriously, unless its a scenario, then you shouldn't have modern armors and your oposing civs still be in the Ancient age. They should at least be late medieval or early industrial.

If you reduce an AI civ to 1 city in an early war in the beginning of the game, and keep bombing their improvements and capital for the entire game, they WILL be in the ancient age while you're in the modern era.
I always have sympathy for the AI, and instead of conquering them completely, I always leave them with 1 city, which I keep bombing with Artillery

 

[socralynnek]

I also think, it's fine the way it is...two words: Friendly Fire! That way you can lose against everything!
(But I'm in favor of giving all units more hps, so randomness is a bit toned done)