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Just to throw the idea out on the table, how about the Marine (Marine corps) as a unique unit for both England (Royal
Marines about as long as there have been ships0 and the USMC as the UU for the USA. Gloster fisherman helped capture Dover, Delaware circa 1775 and Washiongton's army get away from Brooklyn Hts (NY) about the same time.
I know Napoleon had marines in the Imperial Guard, so maybe it isn't unique enough, but it sure would be a lot more useful than a figher plane no-one ever builds or a Man-o-War almost no-one ever builds.
Marines about as long as there have been ships0 and the USMC as the UU for the USA. Gloster fisherman helped capture Dover, Delaware circa 1775 and Washiongton's army get away from Brooklyn Hts (NY) about the same time.
I know Napoleon had marines in the Imperial Guard, so maybe it isn't unique enough, but it sure would be a lot more useful than a figher plane no-one ever builds or a Man-o-War almost no-one ever builds.
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I actually like Marines. I want to make a mod that introduces them much earlier in the game (or give the unique attack to all foot soldiers) and to have ships treated as cities... so you can capture them as prizes or scuttle them (and loot - which makes privateers actually useful!!!)
All ships would need bombarding and ability to carry at least one defender. You can see I have thought this out
Unfortunately, I don't know how to mod it
and some parts might need a hacking of the program 
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yeah and maybe if you destroy enough ships and get a leader out of a shiplike and then a chopper comes and picks up the leader and flies it to the capital
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I wonder if the game could be moded to build leaders? I don't fight enough, or well enough to get leaders very often, and it seems like a shame that you can only get one through combat. How about if you have been in democracy or republic for long enough (what ever that period would be, enough for an election to have taken place, you coulc just elect a leader? I know, for every great leader you have to have a lot of elections
I don't want to bing up any of our recent presidents, but maybe I am safe in identifying Winston Churchill as a great leader not produced by a particlar combat. Or maybe Margaret Thatcher (she certainly had a lot of impact even if you don't agree with her.) And I understand many don't.
I don't want to bing up any of our recent presidents, but maybe I am safe in identifying Winston Churchill as a great leader not produced by a particlar combat. Or maybe Margaret Thatcher (she certainly had a lot of impact even if you don't agree with her.) And I understand many don't.
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Totally, I'm afraid. Elizabeth was only ever queen of England. During her reign (1558 - 1603), Scotland had two monarchs, namely Mary (1542 - abdicated 1567) and James VI (1567 - 1625). It was on Elizabeth's death that the two countries were united, in the sense that James became king of both countries (he became James I of England from 1603 to 1625). However, the two countries, despite having the same king, were separate nations until 1707 when the Act of Union combined them into a single new nation called "The United Kingdom of Great Britain".
It mean "I live in hope".Edit: If it's not too much trouble, could you tell me what "In Spe Vivo" means?
Illustrious
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Originally posted by stormbind
That's odd. Doesn't "Dun Spiro Spero" mean the same thing?
I was obviously misinformed. I had thought that Mary was deposed and as a direct result, Elizabeth assumed control of Scotland.
"Dum spiro spero" (note spelling
) means "while I breathe, I hope" - or more usually paraphrased as "while there's life, there's hope". It's an optimistic proverb. By contrast, "I live in hope" is a pessimistic and cynical saying (it implies I hope because I don't expect....!). In a way, they're almost opposites.You were. Mary was forced to abdicate in favour of her infant son (who initially ruled through a regency). Elizabeth held Mary captive for a number of years, and ultimately had her executed, but never took control of Scotland. It was a messy and turbulent period of history, so misinterpretations are common.
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Originally posted by stormbind
Oh, it was England & Ireland. Silly me
Sorry, what was England and Ireland? The situation there is even more complex, and Ireland was not formally united with Great Britain until 1800.
Well, when I looked up Elizabeth I it said Queen of England & Ireland (1558-1603). Are going to suggest this is also total fiction?
I was pretty sure she united something (not including the people)
Regarding the latin, I had always thought "Dum Spiro Spera" was rather pessimistic but had not seen the paraphrased translation
Both "In Spe Vivo" and "Dum Spiro Spero" are found on the arms of people who interested me, though why anyone would have a pessimistic quote is beyond me
I was pretty sure she united something (not including the people)
Regarding the latin, I had always thought "Dum Spiro Spera" was rather pessimistic but had not seen the paraphrased translation
Both "In Spe Vivo" and "Dum Spiro Spero" are found on the arms of people who interested me, though why anyone would have a pessimistic quote is beyond me
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Another ides, I don't say its a good idea, but an idea is the combat helicopter, for the american unique unit. It was so ubitquitous in the American Army after 1947 because the air force would let the army have that form of aviation, as it was beneath the fighter pilots and bomber boys to have to use both hands while flying a rotary aircraft. Now if it had used jet engines, they never would have let the army fly even with helicopters.
So its is used for close air support, to kill tanks, for a combat bus, resupply, medivac, etc since the airforce isn't interested in any of those missions. Although they took over anti-aircraft missles except hand carried ones.
So its is used for close air support, to kill tanks, for a combat bus, resupply, medivac, etc since the airforce isn't interested in any of those missions. Although they took over anti-aircraft missles except hand carried ones.
Illustrious
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No, I'm not! Like I said, Ireland is complicated.
There had been colonists from the mainland in Ireland since Norman times, but it was always an opposed occupation, and by the 14th century England controlled little more than the "Pale" around Dublin. Henry VIII was declared "King of Ireland" in 1541, but it was at the time about as meaningful as the royal claim also to be king of France!
Elizabeth was "officially" queen of Ireland, but could do little to enforce her claim. Her successor James I made some substantial seizures of land, and the early part of the 17th century saw an expansion of the Anglo-Scottish presence in Ireland, especially in Ulster.
The Catholic local gentry rebelled in 1641, with massacres of Protestant settler. This eventually led to Cromwell's arrival in Ireland, and his retaliatory massacres at Wexford and Drogheda.
Ireland was of course the last gasp of the Jacobite cause in the 1688 "Glorious Revolution", culminating in the famous/infamous battle of the Boyne in 1690.
Until 1800, Ireland was essentially a restive and disputed colony at best. The Act of Union of that year converted it into (in theory at least) an equal part of the United Kingdom, alongside Great Britain - this is the point from which the red saltire of St Patrick appeared in the Union Flag.
So in summary, Elizabeth was de iure queen of Ireland (the achievement of her father), but not de facto.
As you can see, there's lots to be confused about. The royal claim to be queen of Ireland is not really evidence of the two islands being united!I was pretty sure she united something (not including the people)
Well, in spe vivo is nowadays seldom used except in a pessimistic manner, but armigers who took it as a motto (such as Robert Whitehead of torpedo fame) tend to have given it a more optimistic spin. As with many things, we grow more cynical as the ages progress...!Regarding the latin, I had always thought "Dum Spiro Spera" was rather pessimistic but had not seen the paraphrased translation
Both "In Spe Vivo" and "Dum Spiro Spero" are found on the arms of people who interested me, though why anyone would have a pessimistic quote is beyond me
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Ireland is pretty simple. Its the Irish that are complicated.
@Illustrious. How can you remember so much and in so much detail? I must remind you that you claimed not to be an expert!
Despite the sheer number of times that I have been corrected, I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Robert Whitehead was not entitled to arms. He acquired a monopoly and died a very rich man in 1905, but was not born with peerage and never knighted.
Despite the sheer number of times that I have been corrected, I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Robert Whitehead was not entitled to arms. He acquired a monopoly and died a very rich man in 1905, but was not born with peerage and never knighted.
Illustrious
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Originally posted by stormbind
@Illustrious. How can you remember so much and in so much detail? I must remind you that you claimed not to be an expert!
Despite the sheer number of times that I have been corrected, I'm going to stick my neck out and suggest that Robert Whitehead was not entitled to arms. He acquired a monopoly and died a very rich man in 1905, but was not born with peerage and never knighted.
If we were considering Continental heraldry, I would be inclined to agree with you - most of the European heraldic authorities restricted armigerous status to the noblesse and to chevaliers. In most countries, the best he could have attained under the circumstances would be burgher-arms.
However, the English system as administered by the College of Arms (and also the Scottish system administered by Lord Lyon) operates on a different basis. Armigerous status extends also to Esquires (aka the gentry), who have as much right to bear arms as the chivalry and nobility. As the CoA make clear in their publications, sufficient badges of entitlement are given by some element of distinction in society - factors cited include "awards or honours from the Crown, civil or military commissions, university degrees, professional qualifications, public and charitable services, and eminence or good standing in national or local life."
The one thing to which Whitehead would not be entitled under English heraldic law is supporters - these are confined to the nobility.
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