SammyKhalifa
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Ha, well that's very true isn't it? They're doing well enough as it is!
Stonehenge often the only viable approach
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Ha, well that's very true isn't it? They're doing well enough as it is!
Yup, that openers seems to make more sense in the beginning than later on. Especially when you go tall it's so useless because you don't want to delay your religious buildings for that long.
I can't see anything OP in it tbh. Anybody willing to mod it so it can be tried out?
Guys!... GUYS!.... hey guys...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=11623070#post11623070
and
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=467753
"Want a cookie, Adjuvant?"
"...no...listen..."
As long as you have a great prophet before the "last religion" is founded, you can have a religion. I really don't like "having to build shrines", but they're nice sometimes, I guess, especially Mayan pyramids.
If the game doesn't roll with an "early stonehenge" because you rex a little or have no calendar luxuries to start, and you REALLY want a religion, do "whatever it takes" to get a prophet. Even if you have 0 faith, even if a religion's been "enhanced", you can found a religion.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=11623070#post11623070
and
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=467753
"Want a cookie, Adjuvant?"
"...no...listen..."
As long as you have a great prophet before the "last religion" is founded, you can have a religion. I really don't like "having to build shrines", but they're nice sometimes, I guess, especially Mayan pyramids.
If the game doesn't roll with an "early stonehenge" because you rex a little or have no calendar luxuries to start, and you REALLY want a religion, do "whatever it takes" to get a prophet. Even if you have 0 faith, even if a religion's been "enhanced", you can found a religion.
(Hagia situated in Constantinople, so thats a way they got Orthodox Christianity it seems 
j/k)If you don't tech theology but rex'd with liberty (culture push and/or oracle) your free gp can be prophet.
I was going to argue maya long count prophet but it's a bad waste "not building pyramids" because they're so good. With them, you don't have much of a problem.
I was going to argue maya long count prophet but it's a bad waste "not building pyramids" because they're so good. With them, you don't have much of a problem.
snarzberry
Emperor
Situationally you can found a religion without stonehenge if you have the right dirt. If you can take a pantheon belief that will generate a lot of fpt, like desert lore if you are in a desert floodplain area, then you're probably going to be able to get a religion founded by the t70 - t80 range, that has been my experience so far.
McRoos
Warlord
Well, I played as William on Emporer and was lucky.
I twice received faith because of city ruins.
I had two stone, Marble and two Silver next to my city.
I choose momuments of the gods for my Pantheon.
So I was able to build a couple of wonders and also found Judaism as religion.
I was second to Budica who choose Christianity (always seems to be the first).
I twice received faith because of city ruins.
I had two stone, Marble and two Silver next to my city.
I choose momuments of the gods for my Pantheon.
So I was able to build a couple of wonders and also found Judaism as religion.
I was second to Budica who choose Christianity (always seems to be the first).
Polisurgist
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Yeah, but founding a religion early is a huge advantage, while being the last one to found means you're picking through the scrapheaps of beliefs everyone else left behind. Not to mention being in a far worse position to actually spread it.
Is this really a problem?
Stonehenge is a huge help for getting ahead on religion. As the one main ancient era religious wonder it should be.
Religion isn't the end-all be-all for winning the game. If you want to be a dedicated religionmonger and haven't picked one of the top religious civs, I don't see a problem with having to really force some specific things to make that happen.
Stonehenge is a huge help for getting ahead on religion. As the one main ancient era religious wonder it should be.
Religion isn't the end-all be-all for winning the game. If you want to be a dedicated religionmonger and haven't picked one of the top religious civs, I don't see a problem with having to really force some specific things to make that happen.
budweiser
King of the Beers
So, what are the chances of establishing a religion, popping a GP and shutting down the other pantheons asap? How many other religions would likely make it into play?
Probably all of them on Immortal, I guess.
Probably all of them on Immortal, I guess.
Becephalus
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The Maya are in good shape too.
They is no other game options than playing the religious civs, thats the problem.
There is no alternative strategy...
Immortal, Songhai, Large Islands, I'm trying to spam cities to build shrines.
It's now turn 128 I have 77 faith (1 shrine) takes 120 turns to build it my second city and the world has 6 pantheons. (120 faith to founding a pantheon, so things are just getting worse and worse as I loss more and more faith before I can start on greater prophet)
I'm not second best, I'm dead last trying to a city shrine spam.
I'm being beaten by many non faith civs.
compwiz1202
King
Buy/develop the best production hexes in city 2 and allocate to as much production without starving; maybe even starve a little without losing pop just to squeeze more production. Or just try to boost GPT and buy a shrine in city 2. Also try for philosophy so you can get a temple in the capital. Although Immortal is bad cause you know the troops will be coming soon
Peacemongerer
Prince
As long as the AI can city spam with its ridiculous chieftan happiness levels, it will have a lead in religion-getting. Adding free pottery makes it almost impossible bc they'll have shrines done in a city b4 you can build them. Free settlers on top of that? overkill.
If your second city is taking 120 turns to build a shrine, you have other problems... like siting a city really poorly for an early production spam/city spam strategy. And you're going to struggle to win on Immortal with that poor a second city regardless of your intended strategy.
Ethiopia and the Celts would like to have a word with you as far as alternative strategies; properly played, they should easily nab a religion even on Immortal.
Being able to build new cities/shrines fast enough is also luck (you could be stuck in an area with poor production, poor food, or both).
Strategies are meant to be altered depending on surroundings, which in my opinion, makes gambling/searching for Religious CS, NW, building Stonehenge even trying for a faith Ancient Ruin all valid aspects of the strategy to found a religion.
Always pursue back-ups and if things don't go according to "strategy" try for "luck".
GhostSalsa
Emperor
I'm confused.
What is the concern with missing out on founder beliefs on Immortal or Deity? Say the AI gets Ceremonial Burial. Well, the AI doesn't need any extra happiness at that point, it has no Unhappiness anyway. Founder beliefs are great but by missing them, you are just maintaining status quo in a Deity game, aren't you?
And you still get follower after you are converted. There's no rule against waiting until the Renaissance to start genning faith just to buy cathedrals.
It seems implicit that you want to play to your Civ's strengths on Diety; most Civs aren't strong in 'lijun so you should stick with GL.
What is the concern with missing out on founder beliefs on Immortal or Deity? Say the AI gets Ceremonial Burial. Well, the AI doesn't need any extra happiness at that point, it has no Unhappiness anyway. Founder beliefs are great but by missing them, you are just maintaining status quo in a Deity game, aren't you?
And you still get follower after you are converted. There's no rule against waiting until the Renaissance to start genning faith just to buy cathedrals.
It seems implicit that you want to play to your Civ's strengths on Diety; most Civs aren't strong in 'lijun so you should stick with GL.
bonafide11
Worker
I play on Emperor. I have yet to ever NOT found a religion in any of my games. It's not always my first priority, but if I research Pottery and build a Shrine, I'll get a Pantheon before many other players. Then build a shrine in the second city or try to make friends with a religious city-state or pick a faith based Pantheon or build Stonehenge. Stonehenge is just one of the many ways to get faith in the early game.
I just don't get all of the people who complain about how it's difficult to find a religion. Only 2 players have an advantage in finding a religion. Most AI players seem to put little effort into it. I've never been cheated out of finding a religion because of the AI. If you put half an effort into finding one, you'll get it.
I just don't get all of the people who complain about how it's difficult to find a religion. Only 2 players have an advantage in finding a religion. Most AI players seem to put little effort into it. I've never been cheated out of finding a religion because of the AI. If you put half an effort into finding one, you'll get it.
SlithyTove
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It's basically a Deity level issue. To a lesser degree Immortal, but on Immortal you can still get a religion easily enough if you push the issue.
On Deity you have to have a gameplan and some luck or use one of the religious civs and nothing is guaranteed.
