Stop Whining About Whiners!!!!!

[Libertarian]

Firaxis needs to hear it from all sides, is all I'm saying.

And no rational person would disagree. But would you agree that there is a difference between

"Please fix the air defenses. They don't seem to work."

and

"You greedy whores! I hate you! You released this software with intentional bugs. Fix the damn air defenses, AND I MEAN NOW!"

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Furthermore, it would help if the mods would force these complaints to be more organized, instead of random threads all over the place. Separate out the whining about corruption (you can EDIT it, for cryin out loud) from legitimate recommendations outside our control, like Civ placement in the editor.

 

[VoodooAce]

uh, yeah.....

that definitely was supposed to relate to what you said. nickle and dime it if you want. go ahead and bust out the thesaurus, even. you know what i meant.

 

[kamosa]

I'm not defending it as right or wrong. Like I said, teams are a bit Rock Starish. Do you think Sid reads this board and thinks 'Gee, this Kamosa and VoodooAce really seam to know the game, I'll take their suggestions', or does he think 'I'm Sid Freak'n Miers, I know the game better then you'. Tone matters and they don't have to come to this board to hear our complaints. In fact it is human nature to tune us out when we include personal attacks.

 

[Libertarian]

I was getting my roles mixed up. Lol, I was thinking it was Firaxis' job to please ME, the customer.

Oh, the irony. Look how you're acting after just a smidgen of criticism.

What, do you think the good folks at Firaxis aren't humans with fallacies and feelings? Dammit, they're doing the best they can, not because people bi+ch and moan, but because Firaxis developers are decent people who try hard to please their market.

 

[Captin Spok]

Originally posted by Libertarian


Oh, the irony. Look how you're acting after just a smidgen of criticism.

What, do you think the good folks at Firaxis aren't humans with fallacies and feelings? Dammit, they're doing the best they can, not because people bi+ch and moan, but because Firaxis developers are decent people who try hard to please their market.

You work at firaxis don't you??

 

[The Ripper]

If we want to play Civ3 we must see that it is the product of the semplification of Sid's and Firaxians' VISION of reality...
We are not playing reality,but a game:a human product that should be different for everyone because everyone has-I hope- his unique vision of reality...
Like in D&D,if you don't like the way your DM imagine the world you play in,change DM..
Every idea has a good point behind if can product a game like civ3
I could say that some points of the combat system of Age of Kings are quite criticizable,but anyone could tell me that he doesn't agree...
Try to doubt of your vision of the real world:this could be a great merit of civ,to oper your eyes to different way of thinking...

MP in civ is absolutely unplayable,if not like hot seat,or better like playing by mail,I mean merging each player's savegame with the others to synchonoze them..a turn a day(a week?)!!
Broken features like air superority will be fixed,other complains about game concepts are often a sign of impatience and arrogance...


If you want to simulate reality U need someone to tell you how it works,not a great discover you need to accept a compromise...

And to drake:

The best products are spawned from constructive criticism from users.......

Hell, the best things in the world are spawned from constructive criticism.

Big difference between bringing up a valid problem or bug and whining just to whine.

Criticism does not = whining

That's the ultimate word about the problem
You said it!!!

 

[Dearmad]

Voodoo Ace, you didn't say let's hear from all sides, you told us to stop complaining about the complainers!

But that IS my side... I object to complainers over particular problems they havn't bothered to document or think about. Pisses me off.

But I'm no sycophant- it was me who bothered to actually draft a letter to Firaxis that I also posted in here as an OPEN letter suggesting changes. I got a response from Dan Magaha in my email box that was very polite. I was polite in my tone, tried to be clear and supportive of my ideas, and open minded, and -ahem- DIDN'T WHINE!

So I like to drag the whiners through the mud if they think attacking with Horsemen vs. Pikemen is UNFAIR because pikemen KILL their units... sheesh- if it's a moderator or not, it's still a silly complaint and worthy of ridicule if I'm in the mood and see too many of them- enough complaints that Firaxis might shrug and change the combat to such a degree that it becomes a stoopid cakewalk of masses vs. masses rather than the fine combined arms contest that it is now.

Dude, moderators or not, I'm colorblind; I read ideas in here and judge the ideas on how they are expressed and supported.

 

[Rhodry]

I haven't seen many bugs at all, and don't you guys understand that every single game has mega bugs when first come out?

I remember when I was playing Diablo2 it had tons of bugs, and they're still patchin

in fact just about every game I've played has had bad bugs when first come out, give em time, they're not gonna jump up because SOME people have seen bugs. I mean if u saw say 10% of people who got civ3 complaining about bugs, are you gonna get straight into gear? I dun think so. And don't try and tell me more than 10% of ppl have complained becoz really they haven't, some people have a little more sense than to complain loudly and almost incoherently here on a forum which Firaxis is never gonna read. Just back up, I'd like to read sumthing a little more interesting on these forums than "CIV3 SUCKS IM NEVER GONNA PLAY IT UNTIL I WIN EVERY GAME"

Ok I'm done