I did a cool trick just recently. What happened was that the English had a city from it's main home, so I went to war with them, razed the city, but then I got sluaghtered by there people. So what I did was reloaded the game and made a Military Agreement with the civ that was between the English and Me, so when I razed the city the second time, The other civ blocked the english for me until I got a peace treaty with english.
Sum wut cool trick
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@BigWiger: great that you learn from experience how to improve your gameplay. I think that loading in those circumstances helps to improve your knowledge of how the AI acts.
Having military alliances with other CIV's to corner your enemy is common practise by the way. And it works very well
Having military alliances with other CIV's to corner your enemy is common practise by the way. And it works very well
The word "cool" is opened for debate since you reload it for a second chance. If you can build a time machine, then go back to the past and change certain outcome of history, is it cool? Well, not really! Be able to build the time machine is cool! Super cool actually! However, the act of changing history/altering the past in itself isn't cool. Even if you could go back in time and stop Hitler from killing zillion of innocent people, that still wouldn't be cool. On the other hand, it would be really cool to go back in time just to observe history in the making. As long as you do it in the name of experimentation/education, it's cool!
If you do it in the name of competition, it's totally uncool!Louis
Chieftain
Right, I must admit that I have never before encountered the "cool vs. uncool time-travel issue", but I might say it sounds interesting! 
Are there any books or papers on the subject?
Are there any books or papers on the subject?
farting bob
ThEy MaDe Me Do iT.
is itcool to go back in time and kill your grandmother before she got pregnant with your mother to see what happens when ypu return / if you return / space and time freeze and everything ceases to exist?
OK, going off-topic... Under the hypothetical situation that a time machine could be built and that you could travel back to the time before your mother's birth, it would still be impossible for you to kill your grandmother. The logic behind this is that, if you go back with such intent, the past will already have reflected that. And, since your grandmother did live and your mother, and you, were born, you obviously already failed your mission. Something will stop you (or already has stopped you, as the case may be) from killing your grandmother. I think the most likely cause for this prevention would be your own untimely death. Thus, going back in time to kill your grandmother would simply be suicide. No major breakdown in the space-time continuem.
If you like books that address time travel, the I suggest you read "The Door into Summer" by Robert A. Heinlein.
Back on topic, there is nothing wrong with reloading to get a different result, so long as you are not submitting the game to some competition and telling other players that you have not reloaded. BigWiger now knows the value of an alliance, and might not encounter this problem again in the future.
If you like books that address time travel, the I suggest you read "The Door into Summer" by Robert A. Heinlein.
Back on topic, there is nothing wrong with reloading to get a different result, so long as you are not submitting the game to some competition and telling other players that you have not reloaded. BigWiger now knows the value of an alliance, and might not encounter this problem again in the future.
Globetrotter
...wherever i may roam...
In any case, for the sake of experimentation and AI reaction testing, who hasn't reloaded?
SanPellegrino
Wanderer
yeah, you could be your own father. but that's nothing an openhearted and caring family couldn't cope with
GoRy
Chieftain
Ive never reloaded Ever.
I play mainly on regent (RTS and FPS is my thang) but I make an honest go at civ. Used to do well on diety or whatever it was in Civ2 but Civ3 is much much harder.
Plus im more interested in mucking about and throwing 20 spearmen at a musketman instead of just kicking his arse with a cavalry hehe
Ever.I play mainly on regent (RTS and FPS is my thang) but I make an honest go at civ. Used to do well on diety or whatever it was in Civ2 but Civ3 is much much harder.
Plus im more interested in mucking about and throwing 20 spearmen at a musketman instead of just kicking his arse with a cavalry hehe
Gothmog
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If you have never reloaded you are missing something. A common tactic by good players is to do a "shadow reload" where you keep playing the game you were playing without reloading, then after a few turns (so you don't find out things about your current game you don't already know) you do go back and reload and try some different things. This can teach you alot about how game mechanics work. Then you continue with your non-reloaded game. Some things you might learn - is it better to research or to buy technology, does the price for something change from a pissed off AI, should I have caved into the AI demands, why did my war weariness increase last turn, etc
Good Lord! Who are you, the Ethics Gestapo? This is a game he has paid for, plays by himself in single-player mode and is still learning to play. It's a GAME!!! Why in the world should he be judged by you as to whether or not he has reloaded? Geez...ok, your copy of Civ must be bigger than his because you don't reload. Congrats.
I enjoy reloading myself BigWiger and go through a few turns in a slightly different way to see how certain choices play out. It can be fun and certainly a good learning process. The transition to Civ 3 is a big one and there's a lot to learn.
The Midnighter
Chieftain
I've reloaded dozens and dozens of times. There's nothing wrong with reloading. "Hi, my name's Phil and....sob....I'm a reloader! Boo hoo hoo!".....Gimme a break.
"I've never reloaded!" Whoop-dee-freakin' doo! I've never made a pinata and then broken it apart to get the sweet sweet candy that hides inside and wow! don't I feel empty inside? I think this rant has reached the end of its' usefulness. You reload away BigWiger use either hand if you want.
"I've never reloaded!" Whoop-dee-freakin' doo! I've never made a pinata and then broken it apart to get the sweet sweet candy that hides inside and wow! don't I feel empty inside? I think this rant has reached the end of its' usefulness. You reload away BigWiger use either hand if you want.
***Heavy Sarcasm from my post***
I don't look down on people who reload. Sheesh. I reload myself sometimes when i get screwed by the random attack thing. Right now though, i am playing the GOTM and one of the rules is you can't reload at all.
looper
Chieftain
I agree, reload !baby!
Tell me there is anyone who hasnt reloaded in this game?
Well on the other hand, I do not reload when I play Multi-player game with my buddy, it is not fair.
Tell me there is anyone who hasnt reloaded in this game?
Well on the other hand, I do not reload when I play Multi-player game with my buddy, it is not fair.
The Midnighter
Chieftain
Absolutely, looper. I'm just talking about single-player games. You can play any way you want to in single-player, the only person who makes those rules is you.
Knowze Gungk
NOT a mushroom
I try my best not to reload, but sometimes, when you have a massive Army & Air Force garrisoned in a newly aquired city that flips, well that's when the ctrl-L reflex kicks in.
You have no idea how many times I've debated this topic with my friends (what a nerd I am!
) I've come to the following conclusion. Assuming that there is just one all encompassing timeline (as opposed to the theory that a new one is created when you time travel), you cannot do this because you've already done it... in the past... so you don't really exist. But then, in the future, how are you able to go back to the past/present and do the deed, therefore, you really would be alive... but then I revert back to my original point. Basically, this quandry can never really exist becasue if it did, the odds are, the universe would become trapped in some kind of circular never ending chain of events, causing the universe to have a siezure and die. Ouch, my head hurts. Anyway, I think we'd all be better off if everyone agrees not to build a time machine and kill their grandparents.Oh ya, P.S. IN regards to the original topic of this post, there is no problem with saving and reloading, if you don't utilize every advantage available to you, your pretty stupid. Win however possible! Morals shouldn't come into play in a game, that's why Richard Hatch won Survivor 1.
