Tboy1: Crazed Athiest

[Tboy]

Got the idea for this from ucel, so thanks to him.

I'm starting up a succession game with the following rules:
1.Do not found any religion.
2.Do not have any state religion.
3.Raze any holy cities we capture.
4.Never build religous buildings.

Anyone interested?

Roster:
soul_warrior
Tboy
Thyrwyn
Till
friskymike

 

[ucel]

Good luck! I'll lurk sometimes .
Feel free to take my list of forbidden buildings and techs.

 

[BotlGnomz]

This isn't the PBEM forum

 

[Tboy]

Aaarrggg... sorry, I meant successsion game. Stupid PBEM addiction. I've changed it in the first post.

 

[soul_warrior]

if this is a SG, i could get into this.

are we planning on a conquest win? thats my prefered win.

what world settings, etc? im for a standard continents average world.

what civ do we want? i would like to play toku (japs) but dont really care.

also add the need to have the game patched (to 1.09) atleast thats my patch level

 

[Thyrwyn]

I would like to sign up, if you'll have me (the only other game I am in is Religionfest).

I would recommend Louis, actually - Creative/Industrious will help combat the lack of culture issue.

Also means one less Creative leader for the AI making early warmongering more possible

 

[Till]

I wouldn't mind joining, if you are cool with it. Japan sounds good to me, i haven't seen/played them in any game yet. Louis is fine as well, though.
My prefered map is also continents, Difficulty anything from noble upwards.
Oh and i have 1.09 installed, so vanilla would be a deal breaker for me.
Edit: As for the variant: Maybe we should beeline for Theocracy and make "no religion" our state religion? And refuse to grant open borders before we have theocracy? This way our cities should be devoid of religion.

 

[soul_warrior]

TBoy, are we starting this?
i reckon we have 4 players now:
Tboy
soul_warrior
Thyrwyn
Till

it is doable with 4, or would you like to wait for more players.

did you post this game in the SG REGISTRY thread?
its stickied at the top of the SG page.

 

[friskymike]

Make that 5 players
Up for my first sg game.
Would be happy with standard/normal world settings, difficulty Noble, Prince or Monarch at a push.

I like Tills idea... we should go for an atheistic theocracy to prevent the spread of these crazy ideas about 'religion'!

I'm not too fussed on leader choice, creative + either financial (Catherine), industrious (Louis) or aggresive (Kublai) would be good. Aggresive for a war mongering game, financial or industrious for some building before the eventual war mongering
I'm easy.
And I don't mind our civ choices

Mike

 

[Tboy]

Fine, now we just need to work out game rules.
I suggest Standard size map and all that, all victories turned on.
As for the civilization, tell me what you want.

 

[friskymike]

Whats our philosophy? As atheists, I imagine that we would have a bemused tolerance people of religion, while concentrating on science, until the religious people come knocking on our door, asking us to convert to their religion, thats when we get mad and teach them the error of their ways!

So I'm actually thinking Catherine might be better, Creative + Financial would help with science & commerce, and we get Cossacks to beat on these religious freaks that won't accept our atheism.

Also what level do people want... Noble seems a bit easy now, and I don't think no religion is *that* much of a handicap... Prince perhaps?

 

[Tboy]

Well, I play on Noble, looks like most people do as well. We'll see what everyone else says regarding that.
Catherine sounds good. Also, do you know of any ways to stop the spread of religion? Don't connect up cities?

 

[Till]

As i posted earlier: Beeline for Theocracy and then make "no religion" your state religion. (If that is possible, i haven't checked it). Once you have done this, no other religion can spread. And i think the only way to "import" foreign religions, is to have open borders. So if we deny open borders until we get theocracy, we should be fine.

 

[friskymike]

Plan. Except we won't be able to research Theocracy until somebody else founds Christianity, as we don't want to found any religions. Closed borders till the we set up our Atheist Theocracy should keep our people safe from these crazy "religious" ideas till then though.

 

[ucel]

Lurker's comment:

See here for possible rules?

 

[soul_warrior]

prince level should be ok.
standard world settings, OK.
standard SG rules, OK (24 hours to post an I GOT IT, 48-72 to post save and log)
i dont really mind any ruler, we might even want to go all out RANDOM on it

the run for the NO RELIGION RELIGION + CLOSED BORDERS seems like a great variant. lets do it.

basic starting startegy?
depends on world, so we need this UP, ASAP.
maybe roll a few starts, and post screenies so we can discuss which one we want?

i can start us up when i get back home (around 7.30 hours from now) otherwise out till saturday.

i say we just get this ball a-rolling....

 

[soul_warrior]

We don't develop new religion. We will never set the state religion. We won't build any temple nor monastery. If we capture the holy city of one religion we must raze it.

Techs we don't develop:unless we are second to learn it
Mysticism, Polytheism, Meditation, Priesthood, Monotheism, Theology, Divine Right

Building we don't build:
Monastery, Temple, Cathedral
Wonders we don't build
Angkor Wat, Chichen Itza, Hagia Sophia, Oracle, Sistine Chapel, Spiral Minaret, Notre Dame, Taj Mahal

Techs we can't develop as the first civ:
Code of Laws, Philosophy

seems like a reasonable ruleset for an aetheist game.
i would just make it a bit finer -
no discovering religions first. we can research those AFTER the said religion is out.
no religious builds.

 

[Till]

Those rules sound good. I vote we follow them plus the "no religion" theocracy one. I could roll a start today, if we are in a rush. Have the day off from uni

 

[friskymike]

seems like a reasonable ruleset for an aetheist game.
i would just make it a bit finer -
no discovering religions first. we can research those AFTER the said religion is out.
no religious builds.

I like these rules - simple, (except for closed borders) till no-religion theocracy.
NB Have read in two places now that closed borders does not actually prevent religion spreading (observe warring city states game) and remember now that I have observed an early religion spreading to a neighbour before open borders, so propose getting rid of this rule.

Prince would be a good level I think, the noble atheist game seem to be winning their game, we don't want to have it too easy.

For a starting strategy, depending on location, if we chopped a few settlers to start expanding then got Pyramids -> representation and managed to snag Great Library aswell we'd be well on our way to a tech lead. Not sure if we'd be able to get these without being industrious... ie. Louis

I'd also be quite happy to play a random civ and adjust our strategy to suit our attributes as SW suggested...

 

[Thyrwyn]

In keeping with the theme, I think we should avoid the Spiritual trait (half price temples? - we don't neeed no stinkeeng temples). Therefore, I would rather not go random. This also means none of: Asoka or Ghandi (Indian); Hatshepsut (Egyptian); Isabella (Spanish); Mansa Musa (Malinese); Montezuma (Aztec); or Saladin (Arab).

Actually - maybe we should preselect those as our opponents.

Given the no-religion/happiness issues, I do not think health will be a limiting factor so Expansive is the trait I think we least need. So I would put Victoria (English); Bismarck (German); Genghis Khan (Mongolian); Cyrus (Persian); Julius Caeser (Roman); Peter (Russian);

As I said in my earlier post: I think our biggest handicap is going to happiness and culture - Creative combats both of these by giving quick expansion and cheap theaters.

Then again, the other problem is going to be Diplomatic: with closed borders and no common religion, we can count on having no friends. Ever. We should plan on being at war pretty much constantly once we run out of expansion room.

Aggressive could be good - Kublai Khan is Aggressive/Creative; Keshiks are pretty good and he starts with hunting which means Scouts to start - though this could actually be bad as popping a religious tech could blow the variant.

The "no friends" issue means few external trade routes. Financial could help out with that - which implies Catherine (who also gets Scouts. . . .).....and Holy cow: look at those Cossacks never really looked at their stats before. Ouch.

I think that is my very short list of preferences: Catherine, Louis XIV, and Kublai Khan.

Others worthy of consideration: Napoleon (Agg/Ind) and Elizabeth (Phil/Fin). Despite my objsctions to Expansive, both Cyrus and Caeser would be good for a grow early/ rush early bid.