Team Python- Monarch Training!

[GenMarshall]

I also have a question, Are we going to be making peace with the Russians any time soon? Also, speeking of being a tiny tiny bit more responsible, How can I do that while mixing my School work?

 

[amirsan]

nooo, CG, do your schoolwork! For all I know, school is a million times more important than Civ, what I meant by responsible is post that you cant do turns because of schoolwork before we are here asking why, be ontop of it. We will understand, though three days after you are supposed to have turns done is not acceptable with out a promt explanaition. This is the last time, this has gone too long, POST WHEN U ARE UNABLE TO PLAY FOR A LITTLE BIT.

And about Russia, I do not think peace with Russia will occur during your turns, I think that the land bridge between us should be secure before peace.

 

[GenMarshall]

Originally posted by amirsan
And about Russia, I do not think peace with Russia will occur during your turns, I think that the land bridge between us should be secure before peace.

I beleve I have secured the Landbridge, but Ill try to capture Vlad to be on the safe side.

 

[GenMarshall]

CivGeneral's 10 turns

0: I have checked the overall situaton. Noticed we are at war against the Russians. Checked out science and made sure to queue Construction on the next on the list.

1: Ulaanbaatar and Karakorum has finished building a swordsmen and will continue building them. I have sent the 2 fresh Swords down to the Russian border. Our southern swords have knocked out the redlined Russian archer

2: Kazan and Darhan has produced the Swordsman and is going to build another one
Dalandzadgad has produced a spear and is on its way to make a Swords. I just sent the freshly built Swords down to the russian border. Our Swords Defeated a Russian Swords. Adjusted Science to 50% keep the Republic research at 1 turn andto keep us in the positive

3: The Russian archer made an abush, lucky the Swords has defeated him. We have dscovered the Republic and we are on our way to construction. Since we are currently at wat, I dont beleve it is wize to start a reviloution since it would stunt our production. Karakorum and Almarika have produced a Swordsmen and will continue to do so. Choybalsan has build a Warrior and is going to build another. Baruun-Urt has been founded, Since the city is undefended, I had the swords currently there to defendit. Sent the fresh swords to the Russian border

4: The Russains have ambushed us with an archer and a swords. There archer has fallen,but there sword has killed our swords. Tried to counter attack but the sword was killed, though he did made the russian sword redlined

5: The Russians made a failed attempt to ambush our troops, there redlined Sword was killed. Karakorum and Ulaanbaatar has produced a Sword and is continuing the process. Sent all Fresh units to the Russian border. I then set up a chokeblock by Vladivostok and fortified them untill reenforcements arrives.

6: I hearby declare that the area around Vladivstok is now the "Meatgrinder". A Russian archer has injured our Swords while the Russian Sword killed the same swords. Ta-Tu and Kazan (Why am I thinking the city's name is Kazaa?!) has built the Swordsman and will continue to build them, and sent them to the russian border along with the reenforcements. The Egyptians are building the Great Light house, City location unknown since my touch pad on my laptop is to sensitive it accidently clicked on ok (Now I know why I use suppress tap on it). We intercepted an Barb Galley. THe battle resulted in our gally being promoted to an elite galley. Had to move the Chokeblock line a bit to the NW to compinsate for the gaping hole that was created earyer.

7: Karakorum has produced a Swordsmen and will continue to produce them. I am also sending them down along with the reenforcements to the "Meatgrinder".Tabrizhas produced a Barracks and is on its way to build a Granary. The Russians are building the Hanging gardens. Send a Galley close to the russia border to monitor there movements

8: 2 Russian Swords has killed our 2 swords on the landbridge. No attacks in this turn. There are currently 6 Swords lined up in a 2 by 1 tile area and more are on the way. I planed on taking Vladivostok by the end of this turn, but by the waves of Russian swords and archers, I doubt that would happen on my turn.

9: Kakakorum, Ulaanbaatar and Almarikh has produced a Swordsmen and will continue to produce them. The fresh units are enroute to the landbridge (AKA "The Meatgrinder")

10: The russians have made an ambush and killed our sword in the line and my stupid "I" key keeps poping out from time to time. Kazan has Person to Per... ...Err produced a Swordsmen (Darn that Kazaa joke ) Mandalgovi has produced a Warrior. Both cities will continue building there respected units. The freshly produced units are on there way to the Line. Angerd about there constant waves of attack, I decided to attack with one of my Swords. I have used 3 Swords,each has destroyed the following. 2 Swords and 1 Archer. Now I can move the Line a bit further into Vlad. Saved Game, loadded this document and the save onto my Removable Flash Drive. Pluged it into my Desktop and uploaded them and poof is what you see .

The Save

PS at amirsan, I noticed you have AOL, Ive added you to my lst, but yet it shows you are inactive/offline . And Next time if I am swamped again with Homework, I will make an effort to let you all know that I cant play the save at the time due to educational commitments.

 

[amirsan]

Ok, what is your IM on AOL, CG? I will check your turns in a little bit then play mines.

 

[KotatsuNeko]

As for 1.27 vs. 1.21, I believe someone said they were compatible. Haven't tried it myself, though...

 

[LordKestrel]

Originally posted by KotatsuNeko
As for 1.27 vs. 1.21, I believe someone said they were compatible. Haven't tried it myself, though...

They are compatible. I'm in another SG where they are using 1.27 and I'm using 1.21, and there haven't been any problems yet.

 

[amirsan]

ok, sinse they are compatible and I am agreed with most players I will do turns tommrrow morning, been pretty busy today and you know, had to see the YANKEES!

 

[LordKestrel]

Originally posted by amirsan
had to see the YANKEES!

I'm sorry that you're a Yankee fan Judging from what I've heard from around here, very few people care about or will even watch this World Series.

 

[amirsan]

CG's turns, okay.

PreTurn: OKay, no checking on the MM, see if everything is alright??? OK...

Turn 1: Nothing wrong here.

Turn 2: No MMing again???? OK, nothing else wrong here.

Turn 3: Agin nothing wrong here. Good thing u did nt start revolution, excellent.

Turn 4: I dont know, thats all that happend in that turn???

Turn 5: again, nothing wrong. You are either on a good streek or u are not telling me everything or is missing somethings... though I would believe you .

Turn 6: I have Kazaa too . It looks like we have many troops from what u are saying... again nothing is wrong....

Turn 7: Haaaaa the Russians start a wonder while being crucified???? Or soon to be... You are again not giving enough details, how long does it take for our capitol to build Swordsmen??? Are u MMing and not telling????

Turn 8: nothing bad

Turn 9: Nothing bad

Turn 10: Are u still on that chatroom while doing this????? Hmmmm...

Overall: Still not telling me much to critique, or maybe you are not doing it at all. You need to MM every while, like every 2 turns OR when a city grows in population. All you have to do is Check the cities if something could be better or if something is wrong.

 

[GenMarshall]

Originally posted by amirsan
Overall: Still not telling me much to critique, or maybe you are not doing it at all. You need to MM every while, like every 2 turns OR when a city grows in population. All you have to do is Check the cities if something could be better or if something is wrong.

Thats it I give up . You are demanding to much for me. I cant do Details so I leave them out anyway, I only add the Major things like Unit attacks, Cuty foundations, Tech advances, Wonders, and Forgen affairs. Plus if I do MM I would include it, If I did not include a MM statement It means that I did not do any MMing. I do not do MM since It is way to tedious to me at this level of the game. I am not a Micromanagement Ho... ...err... ...Micromanagement Freek. What more details do you want? I am getting to the point where I want to just drop out since my Timelines do not have enough stuff for you to Critique. I cant stand you telling me that "Still not enough" I already have to deal with a writting professor in college :arg:. I would like to withdraw from this SG since all this "not enough Detail" is stressing me out. but before I do sonething that I would regret later on (Especaly in my Solo Monarch game) Ill sleep on it and Ill make my final desison when I head into the Computer Lab around 3:30ish PM EDT

Originally posted by amirsan
Turn 10: Are u still on that chatroom while doing this????? Hmmmm...

No I was on the Laptop most of the time while playing the save, besides My Laptop cannot connect to the internet (It can connect but the Phone line is mostly used by my desktop)

Ok, what is your IM on AOL, CG?

Look at my Profile

 

[KotatsuNeko]

All right, let's hold up a bit.

Civ: The previous turn report you made (back on page 13) was a good way to do it. The way I keep up with the details is if I think something notable just happened, I alt-tab out to Notebook and write it down. It doesn't take very long at all.

amirsan: I've been meaning to mention something for a while, and it looks like I waited too long. Ever since this game started, you've maintained a particularly accusatory tone; the way you comment on people's 'mistakes' suggests that you are genuinely upset or even angry about it. The critique of CG's turn report is a good example of this, using short, pointed remarks and an overall tone of being amazed that he didn't do thus-and-so. Contrary to popular belief, the way someone says things does matter on the internet, and we joined this training game to learn how to play on Monarch, not to get sniped at.

For example, instead of:
PreTurn: OKay, no checking on the MM, see if everything is alright??? OK...

...you could have said:
PreTurn: Remember to check on the MicroManaging situation, and see if any cities can be fine-tuned to build or grow faster.

Or:
You are again not giving enough details, how long does it take for our capitol to build Swordsmen??? Are u MMing and not telling????

...could be replaced by:
When a city completes production, don't forget to make a note of what it's changing to, and how long it will take to complete. You might also check the MMing every few turns as well.

As it is, you're sounding abrupt and kinda nasty, which is not the way to sound when you're supposedly trying to teach people things. Remember, that is your purpose here, and you can't do that very well with the short and unhelpful comments you included in that critique.

Oh, and please, please stop with the multiple question marks.

 

[amirsan]

ok, I see your concerns, but I am trying to express what I think, I am not mad, I am never mad unless you take a travel to the NESing forum and I start a flame, you can see me mad there . I dont know how else to say it, I am not mad, I dont use the smokey pic and I dont know how I show anger. I dont get mad like that, a civ game NEVER gets me mad. I am just trying to make a point, I am sure others in previous TDG's were MUCH worser than me in temper, I am not. (the queston markes are a bad habit, nothing any different from one question mark). Ok, we should pause and I should just teach and not critique sinse it is not working like this.

MMing: Micromanaging is taking small (micro) little details in something to make it better and give a very big outcome.

I know how this is tedious, I WAS IN THE SAME SITUATION . Though unluckily I didn't have someone to show me how to do it. Now after signing up in this game... I have learned how affective Micromanaging could be effective in 10 turns, after that I was determined in all my games and turns in this game after that to look in every major city to see if any little thing could help, and that is why I am playing in Diety and nearly finishing it. That player was T-Hawk, these are the turns...

Look here now.

then after predicting, look at the turns after him...

Look here now aswell

As you can see, they looked like they did alot in thier turns and shown the effect when I looked at the save. Now I was just confused of what were you doing in your turns CG, if that is all you did then there is something wrong in our game OR you are not MMing. All I ask is too MM and post it. That will stop me from complaining!

I know, I say again, MMing is annoying and tedious, but you get used to it! The outcomes are fantastic, maybe it doesn't seem to it now, but starting now will help you get into it in the later part of the game and middle. Just listen to me, I will will try a different way to teach you this guys, I will show and not tell. I have done step one by showing you guys the two turns from T-Hawk and Speaker. Read then a couple times and see what I mean, if you want, take the "bad save" I had before when I was starting out and try it yourself. THIS IS YOUR HOMEWORK. No exception about it, dont do homework, GAME WILL NOT GO ON.

Now I will clear something a little more, I am no mad, not the slightest, I like to teach, I am patient. This is the beggining of the game and I KNOW it is very lonely and there is not much to teach what you guys dont know, though I dont want to rush things and teach what has not come up. When I am mad, I will show you, I will display this picture from now and on: . That will show that I am mad, though I will hardly ever use it.

CG, quitting qill only make you worse and longer to master the things I will teach you guys. I know you can beat Monarch, though I want you to beat it with double the points, TRIPLE THE POINTS. I want you to learn, dont get frustrated! There is nothing to be frustrated about.

1. Start the Game.
2. Look at it.
3. Do something.
4. Open Notepad.
5. Type what you just did.
6. Do something else.
7. Type what you did.
8. Moved a worker from a plain to grassland.
9. Type what you did.


It is simple . I did it many times in the games I have played. I dont type fast either. I want you to type anthing that effects the game immediatly or in the future. If you opens civlopedia, I dont need to know that! If you started the Sun Tzu's Art of War, I need to know that!

And guys, I know you are frustrated, but dont be, WORK HARD. Put a team effort. I do not know why this thread is dead most of the time. I will not start conversations and debates, I want you guys to! I will only comment and critique. This is your game and it is my part to open doors and teach you things to make YOUR game better. It is your responsibility to make Mongolia to the Modern Age and make them a World Power, I will only be your closest advisor of this wonderful empire.

With that said, I hope I can do better and I hope it is not me pushing you guys away... I can only get sad and happy, not mad.

 

[GenMarshall]

Originally posted by amirsan
CG, quitting qill only make you worse and longer to master the things I will teach you guys. I know you can beat Monarch, though I want you to beat it with double the points, TRIPLE THE POINTS. I want you to learn, dont get frustrated! There is nothing to be frustrated about.

After reading that, I decided not to leave but continue the game. Strangly, I beleve that Mara and I are almost kind of in the same shoes (Err Gloves that is)

 

[KotatsuNeko]

Um. So, could we possibly institute that strict 24/48 rule for everyone, then? It's been 6 days since the last turn was submitted, and 4 days since the critique.

 

[amirsan]

Ok, yes, you guys should have skipped me, I had no time becuase of school and hectic time periods with my uncle and family, unable to play civ. Please skip me, sorry.

 

[LordKestrel]

I believe that I am next in the rotation then, as GI Joe dropped out.

This will take some time to relearn this game

I'd post a got it, but the save link doesn't work

 

[GenMarshall]

Originally posted by jimmydean
I believe that I am next in the rotation then, as GI Joe dropped out.

This will take some time to relearn this game

I'd post a got it, but the save link doesn't work

Try digging around the upload #5 folder.

 

[LordKestrel]

I looked, but didn't see anything. I found the 170AD save, but not the newer one.

 

[GenMarshall]

Let me grab my Flash Drive thingy and upload it from there. Im getting the feeling between from the computer to the uploads, the file may have been corrupted .