Term 5 Courthouse
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Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
Goonie said:
Your comments not the sole reason why we have this treaty problem. Frankly, I think it mainly happened because of joker, but you made is go away faster certainly did not help.
Goonie said:
The First Post by Goonie:
If C3B is gullible enough to believe Joker when he says we "mistakenly put the poll in the public forum," they deserved a harsh punishement for their naivety. The whole team had dishounarable intentions. They had a thread that said "espionage of CFC!" Is that not enough to show you that the pledge they made meant nothing to them?
And again:
TheCat wrote (View Post):
Now, that attitude of yours makes me glad you were never a diplomat of CFC. This isn't really what I expected from people who got what they wanted. It is even strange to have such hostility towards us when we are not even appealing. Is it THAT important to you that we leave the game so you don't have to face us in it?
Goonie Wrote:
Got what we wanted?
Yes, we truly wanted your President lurking through our private forums. .
Go ahead. Appeal, I need a good laugh.
Goonie said:
I say again, IT IS NOT THE WORD OF JUST ONE BRAZILIAN TEAM MEMBER! It was a complaint from the government and citizen of C3B.
Dont worry Goonie, I have a good case, I will post the whole deal when the case is heard.
akots
Poet
@Citizen Goonie: It is your right to not consider the allegations seriously. But apparently, if you will try to continue to mess up with the game then we can certainly ask question of which goal is you serving? Some other team? May be C3B? Or may be CDZ or CGN? But certainly not CFC, this is evident since your actions has inflicted a serious harm on our position be it willing action or just a shortsighted and easy-going behavior of "I can post anything anytime, and I don't care" type. That might be a charge of treason with all due respect. If you don't care then there is no reason for you to have joined the registry of citizens and participate in the game. You can have enough fun in the OT forum apparently.
It must be also understood that the current layout of the politics in the game is rather complicated and it is not appropriate to interfere with it unless it is well understood including possible consequences of any actions taken. This might be not the law but just common sense. Unfortunately, seems that this simple consideration is unable to reach to everyone.
It must be also understood that the current layout of the politics in the game is rather complicated and it is not appropriate to interfere with it unless it is well understood including possible consequences of any actions taken. This might be not the law but just common sense. Unfortunately, seems that this simple consideration is unable to reach to everyone.
Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
akots said:
Well said akots, well said
croxis
Chat room op
Looks like the SP demogame drama is seeping in 
akots
Poet
There is no drama yet. But what was there which has been similar? Did Goonie managed to insult the AI as well?
gert-janl
Alive!!!
Order in the Courtroom!
After having carefully considered the initial charges, the Court comes to the following conclusion.
The accusation of our Ambassador to C3B provides the Court with article M of our Constitution. The Court, however, believes that this article is not relevant to accusation of 'causing unnecessary turmoil and problems in diplomacy with C3B.' Moreover, the Court wasn't able to find any article in the Constitution, which has been violated by 'causing unnecessary turmoil and problems in diplomacy with C3B'.
Therefore this Public Investigation is dismissed.
As a final note the Court believes that posting at the UN forums is a very delicate matter, which should be treated accordingly, by both citizens and officials.
Thank you Mr . Justice.
akots, remember when you said you weren't a politician? Start acting like it. I absolutely love how you put a spin on everything! It really makes this team stronger and more united. You have to be the biggest divisor I have ever seen in the MP DGs.
EMP, I still do not see how those quotes were insulting in the least. They were all facts and all used logical conclusions.
Lets not forget that C3B had a thread called "Espionage of CFC." In my mind that violates the pledge they made at the start of this game.
Akots believes that I must be working for foreigners because I stand up for this nation! I would hate to think who akots and EMP are working for when they stand up for C3B over their own nation!
I am sick and tired of this petty thing you all seem to have me. Get over it. I am not going anywhere. I have yet to see any serious harm that was created as per my actions.
Onwards to the burning of Brazil.
akots, remember when you said you weren't a politician? Start acting like it. I absolutely love how you put a spin on everything! It really makes this team stronger and more united. You have to be the biggest divisor I have ever seen in the MP DGs.
EMP, I still do not see how those quotes were insulting in the least. They were all facts and all used logical conclusions.
Lets not forget that C3B had a thread called "Espionage of CFC." In my mind that violates the pledge they made at the start of this game.
Akots believes that I must be working for foreigners because I stand up for this nation! I would hate to think who akots and EMP are working for when they stand up for C3B over their own nation!
I am sick and tired of this petty thing you all seem to have me. Get over it. I am not going anywhere. I have yet to see any serious harm that was created as per my actions.
Onwards to the burning of Brazil.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
I think that maybe C3B were using anny excuse to try and get what the want, even though they know that we the doing right thing, so they try to find any small thing to get us to fight in between us so they can get an advantage. While I think that what Goonie did was foolish, it is most probalby the truth in what he said.
akots
Poet
@Goonie: You have not even looked at the save. Yet you rush with some ideas and conclusions claiming their superiority over the well thought-through strategy and tactics and using very peculiar arguments like "I stand for our nation". Well, you don't stand for our nation and have no intention to do so since you stand for your own self and nothing else. Which is not a crime btw.
However, simple stupidity is not a crime according to our constitution as well. In what I have just posted in the previous sentence, most probably the truth is, speaking in the classical_hero's terms.
However, simple stupidity is not a crime according to our constitution as well. In what I have just posted in the previous sentence, most probably the truth is, speaking in the classical_hero's terms.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
If you guys spent 10 % of the energy you spend in the forums on miliary strategy and how to win this computer PBEM game with or without the satisfying whims of some primadonna computer gamers in the rival teams, and maybe considered developing some unity on the side, you would be better off. I took a step back, and just observe by now, since I obviously am talking to deaf ears. I see no real effort to develop a firm build-up to something beyond a war of attrition, I recognize that conservatives shot down my Rio plan with their heartfelt skepticism, fair enough, more power to ya.
I am happy we got horses, and I am happy we got some moderate dialogue with CDZ.
However, I see more infighting, vain, pride, contempt and derogative terms, than an honest attempt to craft a solid and presentable strategy we can discuss in the forums.
I see people are speculating the other teams to death. What beer do they drink, is Cat a pretty or an ugly woman, are the Wabbits more anarchist or Dutch capitalist in their gaming ideology? Where is Joker now? Who are these new pestering citizens disturbing the inner sanctum. I am not pointing criticism at indiviudals, but it would help if we tried to think more as a team, and craft some strategy, present it, discuss it, poll and then stick with it (with small variations underway). This bickering and fidgeting and speculation is slowly degrading the game, please let us get from speculations to a firm strategy based on the Civ3 game, and not overspeculate our 1-2 trade deals.
Ideally, I would exterminate the Brazucans before we get the happy Dutch CDZ sailors over.
I am happy we got horses, and I am happy we got some moderate dialogue with CDZ.
However, I see more infighting, vain, pride, contempt and derogative terms, than an honest attempt to craft a solid and presentable strategy we can discuss in the forums.
I see people are speculating the other teams to death. What beer do they drink, is Cat a pretty or an ugly woman, are the Wabbits more anarchist or Dutch capitalist in their gaming ideology? Where is Joker now? Who are these new pestering citizens disturbing the inner sanctum. I am not pointing criticism at indiviudals, but it would help if we tried to think more as a team, and craft some strategy, present it, discuss it, poll and then stick with it (with small variations underway). This bickering and fidgeting and speculation is slowly degrading the game, please let us get from speculations to a firm strategy based on the Civ3 game, and not overspeculate our 1-2 trade deals.
Ideally, I would exterminate the Brazucans before we get the happy Dutch CDZ sailors over.
akots said:
When did I claim my own conclusions were superior? I never did. I have not looked at the save because I do not need to. I looked at Provo's math and it is evident to me that we will not win a war of attrition. In my mind I believe the City of God plan is our best bet.
Unlike you akots, I don't claim moral and strategic high ground. Unlike you I do not call others stupid. People who disagree with me are not stupid. Unlike you, I don't spout divisive comments.
Yes, I agree with the City of God plan, but does that mean I show no respect for others opinions? That is not like me. Unlike you akots, I don't do my best to only find negativity. I look to add constructive critisism, and ideas. Find a post that I posted where I simply slander others and their ideas. You won't. But I can think of many that you have made off of the top of my head.
I do stand for this nation. Simply because I support a plan which you do not , does not mean that I run counter to this nation. The arguements I have made in favour of the City of God plan have never been "I stand for this nation." They have always been about my belief that it is our wisest, most strategic move. I said "I stand for this nation", when you accused me of being a spy.
Please akots, enough of your baseless rhetoric. It is not helping. It is only breeding division.
Amen to Provo and classical_hero.
gert-janl
Alive!!!
Thank you all for your contribution. Let's continue the game.
Cheetah
Deity
Just my 2 copper coins:
@Goonie:
Your points in the UN thread may have been all true, but you worded them in such a way that they became offensive! If they were addressed me, I would be offended. If they were addressed to you, I am sure you would be offended as well. And I completely understand if C3B felt insulted.
Insulting another team is damaging for our team.
That means, that through those posts you did hurt your own team.
Next time, it would be a lot more helpfull if you worded you posts more diplomaticly.
In my very own personal opinion, akots does not have the most compassionate personality, but he does not insult the other teams, and thus can only hurt our internal unity. There has been posts that I feared would be to insulting to the addressee, to the point of the addressee leaving. It didn't happen though and akots seems to have stopped this way of wording his posts.
@Provultion: You may feel like you're talking to deaf ears, but I just think it is that some has greater consern with the plan than you do. Please do not stop presenting new ideas, as it seems you have some very good understanding of Civilization strategies.
PS: I hope no one will take this as an insult. I do not mean to hurt anyone, I am simply trying to explain things the way I see it.
@Goonie:
Your points in the UN thread may have been all true, but you worded them in such a way that they became offensive! If they were addressed me, I would be offended. If they were addressed to you, I am sure you would be offended as well. And I completely understand if C3B felt insulted.
Insulting another team is damaging for our team.
That means, that through those posts you did hurt your own team.
Next time, it would be a lot more helpfull if you worded you posts more diplomaticly.
In my very own personal opinion, akots does not have the most compassionate personality, but he does not insult the other teams, and thus can only hurt our internal unity. There has been posts that I feared would be to insulting to the addressee, to the point of the addressee leaving. It didn't happen though and akots seems to have stopped this way of wording his posts.
@Provultion: You may feel like you're talking to deaf ears, but I just think it is that some has greater consern with the plan than you do. Please do not stop presenting new ideas, as it seems you have some very good understanding of Civilization strategies.
PS: I hope no one will take this as an insult. I do not mean to hurt anyone, I am simply trying to explain things the way I see it.
akots
Poet
Provolution said:
I've got enough of this logic when I was in the junior school in communist USSR. They used essentially similar wording and same system of proof to fool the 8-year old kids. Well, hows about to correct your plan due to new circumstances including lack of desire for war from C3B (their Immortals stay home), new units we can build (horsemen), and new techs we obtained from CDZ? It would be nice if you can come up with a plan for military campaign instead.
I'm actually doing my job and if I do something wrong please feel free to criticize and be assured it will be considered.
However unity of the team is not the goal here.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
I kind of hoped this briiliant posse of hard core skepticists would try to craft a plan, when
they had no presented plan to shoot down. But all I see is Belgian politicians in WW1 and Ww2. Well, I was wrong, but now I am uncertain if I want to spend energy there.
Besides, calling for more unity is not necessarily communist logic and rhetoric.
Most human organizations are glued together by common goals and leadership, maybe even the same ways to conduct things. It seems that the only thing that binds here is erciprocating insults, tapping each others back, shooting down new ideas collectively and in general an unhealthy culture of speculation, mistrust, persecution of ideas and in general a lack of guidance and direction.
In fact Akots, I believe you to be one of the better forces in here, but look around you, where are people dragging this thing ? That I am tasked to make a proposal for a military plan when everyone is quiet waiting for a new idea to shoot down speaks itself. But yes, horses, Immortals on that mountain and new technologies would sure make this plan fly 100 %.
they had no presented plan to shoot down. But all I see is Belgian politicians in WW1 and Ww2. Well, I was wrong, but now I am uncertain if I want to spend energy there.
Besides, calling for more unity is not necessarily communist logic and rhetoric.
Most human organizations are glued together by common goals and leadership, maybe even the same ways to conduct things. It seems that the only thing that binds here is erciprocating insults, tapping each others back, shooting down new ideas collectively and in general an unhealthy culture of speculation, mistrust, persecution of ideas and in general a lack of guidance and direction.
In fact Akots, I believe you to be one of the better forces in here, but look around you, where are people dragging this thing ? That I am tasked to make a proposal for a military plan when everyone is quiet waiting for a new idea to shoot down speaks itself. But yes, horses, Immortals on that mountain and new technologies would sure make this plan fly 100 %.
