The ai double standard is hilarious

[Ludvig]

Tried a Russian game to do a holy science Strat I read about the other day (ended up failing big time because flat tundra does not promote 10 pop but that's another matter).

Through the entire game Cléo and Tamar kept berating me for letting barbarians run loose in my lands since I had invested the bare minimum in my army. When I gave up and sent apostles to convert them I had to send a huge military escort because both their lands were crawling with barbarians and I chuckled at their hypocrisy.

The industrious or whatever the agenda is called when they hate unimproved land seems similar since the ai sucks at improvements (I'm mostly playing on king to be able to take it a bit easy).

Are there other examples of hipocrqcy from the ai? Please share!

 

[Oberinspektor Derrick]

Not exactly hypocrisy, but the nonsense of an AI that is terribly far behind tech/culture/military strength wise, who keeps spamming "demands" that they are in no position to make.
It's getting old, and I wonder what the developers were thinking when they programmed that feature.

As for Russia population wise - depending on your victory condition, you don't always need too much population, and you can always settle near the tundra "edge" and plop down a few farm triangles to solve that. Otherwise, internal trade routes (or better, to allies with Wisselbanken slotted) usually takes care of most issues.

 

[Ludvig]

It's getting old, and I wonder what the developers were thinking when they programmed that feature.

As for Russia population wise - depending on your victory condition, you don't always need too much population, and you can always settle near the tundra "edge" and plop down a few farm triangles to solve that. Otherwise, internal trade routes (or better, to allies with Wisselbanken slotted) usually takes care of most issues.

I think demand was just a bad naming, I see them more as favors asked. In my last Mongolian culture game I did a bit of conquering early on and everyone hated me but I needed open borders so I gave in to their demands and it boosts your diplo relationship substantially. I'm not sure I've ever had the ai give in to my demands despite me being a credible threat, they only ever do so if you're chummy diplomatically. I often ask them to not convert and they'll laugh. They only move the missionaries away if I denounce and start placing units on the same hex to condemn if (when) I declare war.


I had a cold Inland sea map and neglected my military so I got boxed in and only managed to settle a couple of cities with any tiles that weren't tundra or snow. It was a pretty fun game I just didn't keep true to my original goal. Temples giving food would probably have been a better belief for me than culture in that game.

 

[Archon_Wing]

Yea, I suppose in all fairness, you can't expect your opponent to admit they were wrong.

(without a stick, that is)

 

[Noble Zarkon]

both their lands were crawling with barbarians

Yeah I see that a lot, someone condemns me for letting barbarians run amok and I think "What the heck are you talking about - haven't seen on for 2000 years" lol.

 

[Ludvig]

My intention wasn't to whine about bad AI, I'm looking for fun examples of double standards from the AI.

I've seen warmongers who have three caps get pissy about my expansionist as well but that solved itself once I realized they just wanted to be invited to the party and conquer them together. Scotland was mad at me last week for warring with the Cree but then I invited him and he joined enthusiastically and payed me to declare on Norway and Mongolia as well.

 

[kb27787]

John Curtin declaring war left and right, including on city states, and then berating you about the evils of war comes to mind... (if they had changed his behavior to be like Gandhi's or Bob's it would've been more consistent).
Tomyris berating you that loyalty is its own reward... but then declares surprise wars herself...

There's a reason when I fight some civs I completely raze all their cities out of spite (and usually the whole world denounces me so I end up leaving the whole world in ruins anyway)

 

[Pzul Laturro]

Some Civs berating you for facing bankruptcy when quite often the gold earned per turn is not only a positive amount, but 100gold per turn or more!!

 

[BenitoChavez]

AI forward settles me.
I settle a city next to my territory.
AI: Don't settle near my borders!

AI converts one of my cities
Me: Don't convert my cities
AI Refuses
I convert one of their cities right back
AI: Don't convert my cities!

 

[Bojmir]

I love being attacked by Teddy and then he compliments me on keeping the peace after he asks for it......

 

[Datian]

I love how Lady Six Sky settled against my border (her city was adjacent, it had five tiles only) : "complain how I dissed the stars all you want, I'll raze when it will revolt"

 

[Futumch]

Some of the AI leaders agendas are a bit bewildering especially in the early stages of the game. Gorgo, Kupe and Amanitore come to mind. They berate you for lack of development, pollution, not being at war etc. I just sigh and hit the ESC key.

 

[Ludvig]

Some of the AI leaders agendas are a bit bewildering especially in the early stages of the game. Gorgo, Kupe and Amanitore come to mind. They berate you for lack of development, pollution, not being at war etc. I just sigh and hit the ESC key.

Gorgo is pretty easy to satisfy if you play in a certain way. It's just super confusing to be at war with her:
"Hey Gorgo, wanna just give up now? I've taken every useful city you have but I'll let you chill in that weird tundra fishing village, you could have a decent life there, the appeal is through the roof. "
"Don't be a lightweight. Raze all my towns and slaughter my people down to the last person, I'll never yield!"

Victoria still baffles me. I'm not sure I've ever been friendly with her, she always hates me from the moment we meet. Her agenda makes it very likely but even when we spawn as neighbors she'll hate me for some other reason.

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[Linklite]

The most recent was Cleopatra.
"How can you let these barbarians run amok in your lands?"
"What barbarians?" *scours entire continent that only contains us two" "The reason why I haven't killed them yet is because they're on the other side of the continent, in the middle of your empire and completely surrounded by your cities; I can't get to them!"

The other one was Teddy Roosevelt. He'd declare war on me, get his butt kicked, sue for peace, then whinge at me that I was a war monger. Then the cycle would repeat...

 

[Ludvig]

The other one was Teddy Roosevelt. He'd declare war on me, get his butt kicked, sue for peace, then whinge at me that I was a war monger. Then the cycle would repeat...

That does sound a lot like irl America.

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