The all forest starts are rape.

[Cuteunit]

When I get a tundra/heavy forest start, the movement on the settler doesnt mean much since the forest consumes it all.


Which brings me to a suggestion. I've seen animals ( with Wildlands on) eat the starting settlers of the AI before they settle.

Why not make the starting settler have a combat strength value?

 

[it-ogo]

Countersuggestion: if there are no cities (no capital) let any unit found a city. Also it has a sense in case of "require complete kills" option.

 

[Caradoc]

Countersuggestion: if there are no cities (no capital) let any unit found a city. Also it has a sense in case of "require complete kills" option.

So then you would build the first city with your Scout or Warrior and hold back the Settler to use later?

 

[cephalo]

The problem is very simple, and there are some rather complicated solutions being floated in this thread. If it takes too long to get forest chopping tech, make it take a little less long. I'm pretty sure if you dropped me off in the wilderness with no tools, I could figure out how to bring a tree down if need be. Maybe we could train those beavers that we normally use for fur. simple.

 

[xienwolf]

I assume he means you wouldn't get that first settler.

 

[it-ogo]

Yeah, no first settler. You explore with all your starting units and first who find a good place founds a capital. If you want to keep starting movement and site-range bonus, give it to all or one of your starting units along with 20% chance wearing off per turn.

 

[Farmer Bobathan]

Or the starting settler promo could be disabled with the palace buildingclass because I see the promotion as representing not being connected to one spot and being able to hunt/gather off the land making the unit more mobile.

 

[Basil II]

Real life primitive civilisations (like those which still live in jungles etc today), can cut down trees using stone weapons.

Al

Big difference between cutting down individual trees and actually clearing miles of forest.

 

[Mesix]

It's possible to clear miles of forest (and a few houses) with a book of matches. Back in the day, the same could be accomplished with rhudementary tools. I'm assuming all the civs needed to be able to use fire to get through the Age of Ice.

 

[Farmer Bobathan]

That's what fire adepts/mages do.

 

[Roghar]

yep! Unfortunately, getting an adept isn't any quicker than getting bronze working. Much faster than sanitation though

 

[kenken244]

I see clearing forest early as ligting just that strech of forest on fire. It is not a big enough fire to burn all te way around the world, just that piece of it. if you want a massive fire, then you have to use magic

 

[SwordofStriker]

I see clearing forest early as ligting just that strech of forest on fire. It is not a big enough fire to burn all te way around the world, just that piece of it. if you want a massive fire, then you have to use magic

What's different between the two fires? Ever seen one in a large wooded area? They tend to spread, and I doubt the people of California are blaming magic.

 

[King Khan]

Big difference between cutting down individual trees and actually clearing miles of forest.

It's actually easier to remove the bark down to the cambium, destroying the vascular tissue, than it is to chop down an entire forest. Deer do it all the time around here with immature trees. One person, in the space of a few days could effectively kill an entire forest, which would then be cleared by burning after all the trees are dried. The difference is the time frame involved. 'Ringing' a forest takes an entire year. I know this was used in North America to clear land for crops until the Europeans arrived. Probably also used in South America.

King Khan