The Best General in History

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one could mention Leonidas too, at least for casualty infliction on the persians, with only 300 men, although they were in a very strategic position and ultimately their win (they lost, but the enemy lost thousants) was not the end of the war. There are several ancient greek generals who were victorious against odds, although their troops also were better trained than their enemies. But it is almost impossible to win against better trained troops.

Btw this thread is full of generals i have never again heard of. Surely they may be good, but the question was who was the GREATEST of all time ;)
Alexander and Hannibal seem reasonable, and i have the urge to read on Hannibal with all the praise he is getting here :)
 
What an interesting thread! I only recently found it. I am a little traken aback at some of the posts. Hmm, Gengis Khan, eh? It is my impression that, although a competent general, Gengis Khan's most impressive tlent was his almost unerring ability yo pick extraordinarily able men to support him. Rather than nominate Gengis himself, should Jebe Noyon or Subotai be considered?

Also, how about Toussaint l'Ouverture? His military achievements werre truly formidable... were they enough to have him be considered a "great?"

And as for the "Indians" of North America, how about Crazy Horse?
 
with the new influx of posters, i think its anice time to submit my old Horse, Belisarius to the fight.
 
I vote for Alexander the Great. Plenty of generals win battles and make conquests, but then more often than not they lose them again. Alexander achieved the impossible. He invaded a whole continent with a tiny army, conquered it all in a couple of years, conquered more territory in less time than anyone before or since, and - unlike most other great conquerors - didn't come a cropper in the end.

IMHO the best generals are generals who are masters of logistics. Tactical skill isn't good enough. Look at Napoleon. Great tactician. Won stunning victories. Yet he still threw it all away when he threw away his army in Russia, a logistical disaster of the first order. Napoleon was too impatient to be a good logician. He was determined to march on Moscow even when his marshals advised him to winter in Smolensk.

In his earlier campaigns Napoleon's approach to logistics was basically to tell his generals to steal everything they needed and stop complaining (his supply plans in the Austerlitz campaign also got completely fouled up, but luckily there was plenty to steal on the way to Vienna). That approach worked fine if you were in prosperous and fertile Germany, but it was a recipe for disaster in Spain and Russia.

Similar story with Rommel. He was impatient and therefore aggressive, which is often the right approach from a tactical point of view. But he eventually overran his supply lines. The great general doesn't blame his superiors for failing to provide enough supplies. He makes the best use of the resources available to him, even if that means being cautious and defensive, and missing out on immediate glory.

Similar story with Charles XII of Sweden. Great general. Won dozens of brilliant victories against superior odds. But came a cropper in the end when his army fetched up at Poltava in the middle of nowhere (well, Ukraine) and ran out of supplies.

Now consider Alexander. He managed to keep his army fed even though he marched it all the way to India. His campaigns were carefully planned in order to keep his men in supply, hugging coastlines and rivers, and synchronizing them with harvests.

http://www.proactiongroup.com/articles/logisticslessons.pdf.

Alexander also kept his army supplied by being a skillful diplomat - another very important quality for a truly great general. Again, a big contrast with Napoleon who was such a clumsy diplomat that he eventually managed to turn every important ally he had against him.

Napoleon was right about one thing: An army marches on its stomach. But Alexander was much better at putting that into practice.

EDIT Don't know much about Hannibal, but sounds like we have a strong contender here too!
 
I guess I'd go for Napoleon or Alexander because of their Impacts which they had on the world. Little things like 'their tactical decisions' like what Wellington did right and stuff like that is more dependant on the circumstances rather then actual personality and intellect.

What would really make a good general is their actions as a whole, and how their actions impacted the world and if they take the step forward and make the action in their belief that it is right. It takes a good, confident person to run an army morally and justly. Basically crap will always happen, but being confident and competent in what your doing is the most important. If you took away all the victories and defeats which were all dependant on circumstance, and then just have the general, would he still be great?
 
Rommel was aware of his supplies and he wasn´t impatient. However he was so clever to know the desert war perfectly. He used everything he had to cripple the Allies in many battles. He was able to win battles nobody expected he could. So no, he wasn´t impatient and the supply was also dependent on Hitler.
Alexander, don´t get me wrong he made something inbelieveable indeed, on the other side was a man hungry for glory. Also he conquered a huge empire. But he was not seeing the exhausting of his army and he did not make a regent for his unborn child when he died.

Adler
 
Rommel was aware of his supplies and he wasn´t impatient. However he was so clever to know the desert war perfectly. He used everything he had to cripple the Allies in many battles. He was able to win battles nobody expected he could. So no, he wasn´t impatient and the supply was also dependent on Hitler.

Rommel is commonly criticized for his failure to properly take account of logistical constraints:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/rommel_desert_06.shtml
http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/JanFeb01/MS610.htm

For example, his quartermasters warned him that they could not provide supplies, so he blamed them for not "improvising" enough.

His fans will no doubt reject all criticisms. Either way, he lost big time, which is not perfect.
 
Napoleon and Alexander are my picks.

Napoleon's defeat at Borodino and in the invasion of Russia represented poor geographic knowledge rather than lack of tactical or strategical skills. I also am amazed at the trust Napoleon gave some of his subordinate generals, especially Ney in his later years serving under Napoleon. Napoleon's understanding of deceit and swift maneauvers was impressive. The fact that he single-handedly posed such a threat to the most advanced countries of Europe is enough for me to pick him as the best general in history. I admire his knowledge on weaponry, and being the most efficient at applying them on the battlefield. It definately helped for him to attend two artillery schools though.

Alexander is definately the best general in history after Napoleon. His victories at Issus, Guagemela, Granicus, and his defeat of Darius, Porus, and other foreign leaders demonstrated his ability to lead other men. Although a relatively poor political leader, Alexander had somewhat good intentions. His siege of Tyre was very impressive: it lasted 10 months, it gave him superiority on land and sea, and Tyre was one of the wealthiest cities in the Persian Empire. I also consider Alexander very lucky his army never led a full-out mutiny against him. They entered the Indian sub-continent with sparse provisions, his men were starving, and it was monsoon season. In addition, Alexander placed Persian satraps in power to serve the Macedonians, and this pissed-off so many of Alexander's followers.
 
Jabba said:
Rommel is commonly criticized for his failure to properly take account of logistical constraints:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/rommel_desert_06.shtml
http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/JanFeb01/MS610.htm

For example, his quartermasters warned him that they could not provide supplies, so he blamed them for not "improvising" enough.

His fans will no doubt reject all criticisms. Either way, he lost big time, which is not perfect.

you think that because you used british and american websirtes.:p
 
Obviously Genghis Khan, he was the(if not) one of the best generals/leaders in history! Undefeated record is quite an accomplishment.
 
How about a different personality that hasn't been mentioned.
Generaloberst Heinz Guderian
In delicate and dangerous political times when many were "yes" men, Guderian was a free thinker, and a general whose personality, genius and achievements far exceeded those of Rommel. He was a master of strategy and tactics and built the Panzer force in the face of opposition from the German Genral Staff. He personally led many of the blitzkreig campaigns from the front and pioneered the combined arms approach that is the cornerstone of all subsequent military doctrine.
Oh and don't get me wrong I admire Rommel. His achievements are many but his unfortunate demise before D-day has IMHO him edged out by Guderian.

I admire Napoleon like so many of the other fans here but not only for his military skill but also because he was the consumate politician. He showed a unique genius in battle but then he would retire to his field tent and deal with the domestic problems of his empire.
 
Not the "Best" general in history but still great and any king that dies charging into enemy formation, albeit by mistake :sad: , deserves to be mentioned - Gustav Adolph the Great - the Lion of the North and savior of protestants :king: .

Best general in history.... I have no idea...
 
Luv_Muffin said:
Easily the smartest general was George Washington. I think he lost almost every battle he was involved in, was such an incompetent that they promoted him out of the job, and instead made him president.

Will never happen again. The guy was a genious!

Actually Eisenhower was a similar story when you think about it.
He missed WW1 then didn't see active service until the Torch invasion. He was overly cautious during that invasion and refused to sack the spectacularly unsuccessful ground commanders.
He was then horrendously slow at taking the initiative in the invasion of Italy hence causing the stagnation on that front and the unnecessary loss of life of many. Finally Overlord the invasion he was praised for was almost entirely the product of others such as Monty, Leigh-Mallory and Ramsay.
He was a genius at admin and staff work and holding all the strings together. He was very diplomatic and humble and managed to have the ear of more influential men than other more capable Generals. Of course we all know that he then went on to a particularly successful period as a conservative mediocre President who is praised on high for not doing too much.
I don't know why I have banged on about a General that I think is over-rated but I am glad that nobody mentioned him. But don't you think that the similarities between him and Washington are interesting?
 
Most stories blame the brits for the indecision in invasions, displaying America as the kinetic force. Not sure which side is right. British were under more pressure from Stalin, so I don't know.

Revised my greatest general ideas from before. In case of overall success in a bad situation, Giuseppe Garibaldi conquered the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies beginning with his famous thousand redshirts. No one expected him to even land the army successfully. He was a popular-enough guerilla to pick up soldiers as he went.
 
Adler17 said:
Ike also thought the Adlernest, Hitler´s fortress in the Alps was much more important than Berlin and did not take it but attacked empty Bavaria!
And on top of that, the French still beat the Americans to it. ;)
 
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