THE best optional tech

[mastertyguy]

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Mastertyguy, this thread starter.
NB you haven't to say a optional tech is bad, go on this thread : the WORST optional tech. I started this thread too

 

[k-a-bob]

IN SOME ESCEPTIONS' YOU CAN SURVIVE' BUT IT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN POSSIBLY OVER PRODUCE THE AI IN IONDUSTRIAL. THIS IS WHY I, SOMETIMES, AM ABLE TO LAUNCH BEFORE THE AI AS A SINGLE PART.

I was able to launch in a GoTM before anyone else got a tech for a part -
in Republic.

 

[mastertyguy]

I was able to launch in a GoTM before anyone else got a tech for a part -
in Republic.

First, what was the level?
I got UN diplomatic victory without republic (and without monarchy) on emperor. And I'm not sure but i think the same thing exept it was a Monarch domination (no monarchy here too, I never take this one, AI always get HG). And for those who said communism eralier, the only reason to have it is police station.

 

[Mordack]

military tradition

probably because I am a warmongering fool

 

[Grand Cadfael]

Nationalism,as far as I'm concered Its no optional

 

[Tomoyo]

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW CAN YOU WINWITHOUT DEMOCRACY (in capitals so you hear my well )
IN SOME ESCEPTIONS' YOU CAN SURVIVE' BUT IT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN POSSIBLY OVER PRODUCE THE AI IN IONDUSTRIAL. THIS IS WHY I, SOMETIMES, AM ABLE TO LAUNCH BEFORE THE AI AS A SINGLE PART. ABOUT WW, YOU EARN SO MUCH MORE GPT YOU CAN JUST GIVE SOME ENT. IT IS SO MUCH SUPERIOR TO REPUBLIC. I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU.
btw, if you have seen it, I used this "smiley combo" ( ) now twice.
PS: I just started the worst optionnal tech, like now, you know

I always launch on Emperor or lower before the AI builds a single part. On Demi-God, I don't know, since I've never played Space on it.

Democracy is not much better than Republic. I'll admit that it is, but it's not worth the switch, because at the time you get it, your empire will be big, so you'll have a minimum of 5 turns anarchy. Usually, it will be about 7 turns. Now, I ask myself "is it worth the time spent researching Printing Press and Democracy, two techs that don't lead to anything but this government, plus 7 turns anarchy worth getting a ~10% increase in productivity?" NO! I can usually research at 4 turns by the time this becomes an issue, and I have plenty of workers to rail up my territory before even Replaceable Parts!

 

[island007]

The Republic.
Chivary and Military Tradition are tied for second.

 

[Volum]

Republic, without a doubt.

 

[eldar]

Republic.

And no, no, no, to Democracy. I only ever research it in a 20k game.

 

[Daghdha]

*pondering the overwhelming argument against Demo.* ... ... ... Not going to Demo. anymore???... *thinking about all the turns/gold he has spent on Demo. in all his previous games*.
...but I will never ever skip Ironclads

 

[k-a-bob]

First, what was the level?

It was the last GoTM. So, Monarch I guess.

Your point was that you can't outproduce the opponent - but I did just that. And I only switched to Republic at the beginning of IA (being in Monarchy up to then) doing 4-6 turn research the whole way. (And I am nowhere near as good as most of the GoTM players)

 

[gunkulator]

Nationalism,as far as I'm concered Its no optional

Not for me. I only bother with Nationalism if I don't have saltpeter. There are much better things to research in the Industrial Age. The only reason I typically want Nationalism is to get to Communism for police stations. Once you get Replaceable Parts, Nationalism is usually not needed. I typically trade the AI for Nationalism since they don't always have enough cash to buy my techs outright. All the AI's gun for it, so you can usually shop around and trade for it cheaply.

 

[pason]

Military tradition and economics. Using Smith's trading to pay the armycost

 

[Grand Cadfael]

Not for me. I only bother with Nationalism if I don't have saltpeter. There are much better things to research in the Industrial Age. The only reason I typically want Nationalism is to get to Communism for police stations. Once you get Replaceable Parts, Nationalism is usually not needed. I typically trade the AI for Nationalism since they don't always have enough cash to buy my techs outright. All the AI's gun for it, so you can usually shop around and trade for it cheaply.

What! Nat. is great want to warmonger? get nat.for moblization and drafting. Want to slow down a civ without a war?Get nat for trade embargow.Weak nation a good bit behind in tech?Get nat. for MMPs.(vanilla only)Down to a few citys unable to make peace,got a setler on a boat somewhere but want to protect the new city? Nationalism has rifleman the resourcless unit in the game

 

[mastertyguy]

It was the last GoTM. So, Monarch I guess.

Your point was that you can't outproduce the opponent - but I did just that. And I only switched to Republic at the beginning of IA (being in Monarchy up to then) doing 4-6 turn research the whole way. (And I am nowhere near as good as most of the GoTM players)

OK, so no surprise. And when I talk of outproduce, I don't mean Having half the world and better production. I don't like declaring war, I like RBciv rules about being honorable, and I would play there games if I had some cash to spend on C3C, but I don't So I don't like warmongering, unless my civ is militaristic, or AW games. And why do you resaerch monarchy? I don't like this tech, I never get HG. If you change to monarchy to get rep, you waste turns for nothing. Questionnable decision. Take monarchy OR rep, not both unless you want HG. And yes, I like religious civ, maybe why I change for democracy, but i change even with non-religious civ. For me, the benefits are higher having dem than rep.

 

[k-a-bob]

OK, so no surprise. And when I talk of outproduce, I don't mean Having half the world and better production. I don't like declaring war, I like RBciv rules about being honorable, and I would play there games if I had some cash to spend on C3C, but I don't So I don't like warmongering, unless my civ is militaristic, or AW games. And why do you resaerch monarchy? I don't like this tech, I never get HG. If you change to monarchy to get rep, you waste turns for nothing. Questionnable decision. Take monarchy OR rep, not both unless you want HG. And yes, I like religious civ, maybe why I change for democracy, but i change even with non-religious civ. For me, the benefits are higher having dem than rep.

I don't have C3C either, so I'm not sure what you mean.
Questionable? You don't even know the details of the game. Why did I go Monarchy? Because I went the different path than the others. They were heading towards republic, and I could get all the AA techs from them if I grabbed monarchy. I'd rather research 2 techs instead of 10. I researched a total of 4 AA techs. The rest I traded. That is the wonderful thing about government techs, the AI loves them.
I went into monarchy b/c I didn't have republic yet, when I knew my GA was coming, unavoidably. I can't go into any more details, because the game is still live.

PS - I declared war twice in the whole game. And I didn't trick the others into DoW me either.

Each game is different, so I act according to what I see, not what "normally" works. Because if something different pops up and ruins your "normal DMO" then you don't know what to do.

 

[gunkulator]

What! Nat. is great want to warmonger? get nat.for moblization and drafting.

I almost never use either of these. Drafting means I have failed to protect myself adequately and a single (assuming republic) 2 hp rifle probably won't be of much help. Mobilization means no TOE/HD prebuild, no stock exchanges, no factories, no coal plants. Too limiting

Want to slow down a civ without a war?Get nat for trade embargow.

All a trade embargo does is prevent resource trading. It can slow down a war machine, but it doesn't prevent lux or tech trading.

Weak nation a good bit behind in tech?Get nat. for MMPs.(vanilla only)

Do you mean MPP? Those are horrible. You'll be entangled in wars forever. Worse, they force you to break deals with the AI which trashes your rep.

Down to a few citys unable to make peace,got a setler on a boat somewhere but want to protect the new city? Nationalism has rifleman the resourcless unit in the game

Replaceable Parts has guerllias if you have no resources and infantry if you have rubber. Ideally you should be protecting your cities with rails, cavalry and artillery units. If you're down to your last few cities, Nationalism and Riflemen won't save you. The best defense is a good offense.

 

[Grand Cadfael]

I almost never use either of these. Drafting means I have failed to protect myself adequately and a single (assuming republic) 2 hp rifle probably won't be of much help. Mobilization means no TOE/HD prebuild, no stock exchanges, no factories, no coal plants. Too limiting



All a trade embargo does is prevent resource trading. It can slow down a war machine, but it doesn't prevent lux or tech trading.



Do you mean MPP? Those are horrible. You'll be entangled in wars forever. Worse, they force you to break deals with the AI which trashes your rep.



Replaceable Parts has guerllias if you have no resources and infantry if you have rubber. Ideally you should be protecting your cities with rails, cavalry and artillery units. If you're down to your last few cities, Nationalism and Riflemen won't save you. The best defense is a good offense.

Read this for one of the more subtle benefits of drafting http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=99341 Mobilizing is good when your behind with a unwanted war on your hands or in a AW game, though as you say it is a tad limiting. I agree that trade embargo are the worst benefit of a good tech. As for MPP you need to pick your ally carefully, big but peaceful. Now on to rifleman, I stated right away that this is a vanilla obseveration, but even in the expansion packs it comes earlier and cheaper and while it may not save you it will sure slow them down at very least

 

[Abegweit]

I'm not sure, but I think no body but me said DEMOCRACY. It is the best governement in civ3. In civ2, it's different, with all those penalties I don't remember, but now, it is great.

Completely wrong. Democracy was the best government in civ2 - by far. You should be in it for most of the game. Build the Pyramids and revolt to demo as soon as you have prepared some happiness improvements. Pump up the lux slider and let the good times roll.

In contrast, demo sucks in civ3. Comes to late and it is very difficult to conduct war.

Furthermore, it costs a one-turn anarchy to switch in civ2, so long as you are religious or know about the Omam years (or whatever they are called). In civ3, it takes at least 5 and could be much more.

Republic is the most important optional tech. Chivalry normally comes next. Other goods ones include literature, miltrad, economics and sanitation.

 

[mastertyguy]

I don't have C3C either, so I'm not sure what you mean.
Questionable? You don't even know the details of the game. Why did I go Monarchy? Because I went the different path than the others. They were heading towards republic, and I could get all the AA techs from them if I grabbed monarchy. I'd rather research 2 techs instead of 10. I researched a total of 4 AA techs. The rest I traded. That is the wonderful thing about government techs, the AI loves them.
I went into monarchy b/c I didn't have republic yet, when I knew my GA was coming, unavoidably. I can't go into any more details, because the game is still live.

PS - I declared war twice in the whole game. And I didn't trick the others into DoW me either.

Each game is different, so I act according to what I see, not what "normally" works. Because if something different pops up and ruins your "normal DMO" then you don't know what to do.

OK, so it was a valuable decision. Me, I got everybody going for monarchy, me to republic. And, "another civ" got HG, so it was worthless.
I didn't declare war, exept once, "a third civ forced me". Took lots of cities, and their's too, because they sneak attacked me.
Wish I didn't say anything to comprimising about GOTM41, cause I don't want to.
btw agweit, what I wanted to say is that I didn't like this thing I don't remember the name that gave your citizens unhappiness "mask". 'Cause NO corruption is GREAT!!!!!!!! and make democracy important. But at war, it is now easier to conquer ennemy territory, I think. But demo comes late, but it is good, especially in high corruption situation. Sorry if you misinterrepreted myself (je m'excuse si je me suis mal fait comprendre, plz correct my english)