The Cristo Redentor - the ultimate wonder!

[DrJambo]

I believe this is single-handedly the best wonder in the game and it's not simply because it affords you the ability of the Spiritual trait to change civics without anarchy.

It's because you can change civics as many time as you like in the same turn!

This allows you the luxury of being able to fully assess the best civics combination for your needs - there is no equal! This removes any uncertainty one might have about late-game civic changes and as a result it's impossible to make a mistake! Even Spiritual requires several turns between making changes.

 

[kcbrett5]

Are you suggesting you can switch into slavery, whip a bunch of things, and then switch back out in the same turn to avoid the higher maintenance costs?

That sounds broken to me.

 

[hoopsnerd]

Wow, I didn't realize that. Maybe I'll actually build it for once, seemed useless because by the time I can afford that wonder I already have the techs to use the more useful builder religious civics.

 

[Landstander]

Yes - this wonder is the shiznight. Probably my new favorite (take a hike, Statue of Liberty!)

I'm never tested how rapidly I could change civics... though I did change two turns in a row, which is pretty fantastic. Changing multiple times in ONE turn might be a bit much.

 

[Steve2000]

Yeah! I like the switch to nationhood, draft some infantry, switch back.

It really isn't that over the top though because it comes so late. Rapid civics switches would be overpowered if you could do it in the medieval era.

 

[axident]

It's a great wonder, but it comes so late in the game that the game is usually decided by then. Or should be. Ditto with dikes--I like them, but they come rather late in the game. Same thing with panzers--if you play right, your panzers will be facing off against crappy stuff and not other tanks. My tanks in my current game are facing off against muskets.

 

[Zhentar]

Are you suggesting you can switch into slavery, whip a bunch of things, and then switch back out in the same turn to avoid the higher maintenance costs?

Yes, you can. And that's not all you can do. I'll switch from Free religion to something with a state religion, switch my state religion to match that of my target city, and get a 25% reduction to conduct some spy ops (or just look inside the city) and then switch back all in the same turn.

 

[Big J Money]

Seems OP to me, but only because it spits in the face of the religious trait. It is 10x better. Fortunately, it comes late in the game, but I disagree with axident. Not because I'm a civ vet, but because, on principle, I don't think any strategy game worth its salt has the winner determined before the game is over. I would hope it's quite possible for someone who is lagging behind to use superior end-game play to pull ahead and win. Of course, if their opponent has the Cristo Redentor... good luck with that.

=$= Big J Money =$=

 

[hoopsnerd]

axident probably loves the new AI if hes tired of fighting musketmen against tanks... either that or his difficulty level is too low.

 

[axident]

axident probably loves the new AI if hes tired of fighting musketmen against tanks... either that or his difficulty level is too low.

Hoops I play Monarch on BtS and make a point of never ever trading or giving away any halfway decent techs once I am strong enough to fend off attacks. I encourage perpetual world war, and the ensuing carnage slows everybody WAY down except for me, since I fight more efficiently. I may go up to Emperor soon but right now I'm trying to break 100,000 points and have my best Monarch strategy down pat.

And to be fair, they also just got cuirassiers so it's them and muskets vs. my cavalry spam and newly-minted first wave of tanks.

Also the game may end or be close to ending by the time of Radio--it's practically over in my current game, which is why I went straight for 3GD to better spam more tanks. If you own almost half the planet by then, Cristo is a nice bonus but you already did enough to win by then. If you are lagging behind, any extra bit helps such as Cristo.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Lol another story from me:

I built the Cristo Redentor wonder and:

A civ declared war on me with massive numbers. I didn't have the units to defend.

So i switched things into slavery, Whip the heck out of everything, then switch to nationhood, then draft some military, then switch back. So fun doing that every turn, best part is that it was a high food map so my pop recovered quickly!

And yes i won the war... then the game through conquest..

 

[BobTheTerrible]

You can easily switch to desptoism/tribalism/decentralization etc, use a spy to force another civ to adopt those civics, and then switch back in the same turn. Overpowered, methinks.

 

[Zetetic Apparat]

Especially since it's just a big statue...

 

[Bjorn190]

I think its overpowered because radio is so easy to get.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

It would be great if it didn't come so late in the game. Now it's just mediocre.

 

[Dan Quale]

Police state/universal suffrage= the ultimate war machine. When I used it the first time I as amazed how effectively this worked, no war weariness,no emancipation unhappiness, yet still making plenty of new units in captured cities each turn.

 

[weimingshi]

All that talk of changing civic many times in one turn, looks like a bug that should be fixed in next patch. It is already too powerful to be able to change civic once every turn, let alone change it many times in a turn. I guess firaxis made cristo this powerful because they want the thing to be useful to spiritual leaders too. But been able to whip then conscript an army in one turn is just too much. You could also stay in representation get the +3 beaker to specialists and change to democracy to hurry stuff and change right back, this essentially gives the representation civic the ability to hurry with gold too. Currently, you can change civics in golden age without anarchy also, but you have to wait 5 turns before another change. cristo should only negate the 5 turn wait time, lets you change every turn. Better yet, they should change it so that cristo works like golden age, you need wait 5 turns before next, that way its still a good wonder to have for anyone except spiritual leader, yet its not game unbalancing.

 

[Bjorn190]

If you read the description on the wonder it clearly states that it eliminates the wait between civics changes.. so if its a bug, they documented its effects in the civilopedia

And everyone KNOWS the ultimate wonder is teh pyramids! yea!

 

[Kranden]

Its one thing to instantly change civics like spiritual. But its insane that you can swap back and forth each turn! Needs a 2-3 turn cap

 

[DrJambo]

Cristo Redentor is now an absolute must for me late game. It's so versatile. If I'm in the position to be able to build the wonder, I don't think I'd lose from that point on, it's just that good.