The Dolphin Brain

Jeez people. Can't you read the posts in thread first before you type up a reply and hit submit?

For the third time in three pages :rolleyes:

This thread is not about a comparison of dolphins vs. humans but rather how intelligent dolphins intrinsically are?
 
Originally posted by betazed
So here is another science thread. But I will not bore you with abstruse physics this time. :D

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Dolphins have always fascinated me. Here are some facts about them.

(a) They have brains larger than humans.

(b) They have a higher % of brain mass at birth.

(c) They are conscious of themselves (pass the mirror recognition test)

(d) They talk to each other (at least have very sophisticated communication abilities)

(e) They can make part of their brain go to sleep while the other part stays awake

(f) They have 360 degree vision

(g) They have acute echo location skills

(h) They can show creative behavior

An excellent site for Dolphin brains with numerous other references is here.

Given all this I would say the dolphin brain is one of the stupendous achievements of evolution at par with the human brain.

Which sometimes makes me wonder,

(a) is it possible that given another tens of thousand years or so of unhindered development (and provided we do not wipe them out) dolphins can develop intelligence comparable to humans. Another relevant question on the same lines is "Are Dolphins smarter than Neanderthals were 50,000 years ago"?

(b) Is it possible that dolphins have not evolved technology as such because they live in water (after all you cannot make fire in water, and dig for stones etc.)? And because they have not been subjected to the same environmental pressure as humans did when they came down from the trees onto the plains? Humans were under constant threat and were forced to adapt to survive. Dolphins on the other hand are perfectly adapted to their environment and face nowhere near the same threat level that early humans did.

Last but not the least let me quote Douglas Adams.

The humans thought that they were smarter than the dolphins because they have achieved so much - war, money and digital watches - in so short a time, while all the dolphins have done is muck about in the water and have a nice time. The dolphins thought they were smarter than man for precisely the same reason.


What do you think?

brain size doesn't determine intelegence rather intelegence does.

I doubt that dolphins are the only species that can recognize themselves in a mirror

many animal spieces talk to each other. or at least we assume they do(for all we know they could just be random sounds)

To me it looks like several humans have a great deal of their brain shut off:lol:

so do bats

A. i would say no they won't out evolve humans, and i would also say no they aren't smarter than Neanderthals

B. quite possible
 
Originally posted by betazed
Jeez people. Can't you read the posts in thread first before you type up a reply and hit submit?

For the third time in three pages :rolleyes:

This thread is not about a comparison of dolphins vs. humans but rather how intelligent dolphins intrinsically are?
Hey, just be glad this didn't turn into a thread on how Bush and corporate America suck.
 
Dolphins are a little too smart, if you ask me. Destroy them all.
 
It would be easy enough to adapt some standard tests of cognitive function to allow a comparison of humans and dolphins.

For example- Wisconsin Card Sort Test- for set-shifting, Go no-go task to test cognitive inhibition, distractor tasks etc. In some cases i might be difficult to appropriately train the dolphins, but for the tasks mentioned that should not be a problem.

In fact, now I'm curious as to whether this hasn't already been done :hmm:
 
Originally posted by WillJ
To those who say dolphins are smarter than humans:

Take a dolphin and a human into a psychiatrist's office. Give them an IQ test. Assuming the human is average, he'll score about 100. Assuming the dolphin is average, it'll die from lack of water.

Case closed. :p

Take a human and a dolphin into a deepsea environement. Give them a survival test. Assuming dolphin is average, he score preety well. Assuming the human is average, it'll die from lack of air.

See... not easy like i said, try again.:king:
 
Originally posted by Tassadar
Take a human and a dolphin into a deepsea environement. Give them a survival test. Assuming dolphin is average, he score preety well. Assuming the human is average, it'll die from lack of air.

See... not easy like i said, try again.:king:
Surely you don't think I'm so stupid that you think my argument was a serious one? :)
 
Originally posted by WillJ
Surely you don't think I'm so stupid that you think my argument was a serious one? :)

Nice way to surrender:D
 
Originally posted by Tassadar
Nice way to surrender:D
Now that I think about it, that actually would be a pretty good way to cover up a surrender.... :hmm:
 
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