Narz
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This pyramid sucks, it has no basis on nutritional science let alone human evolution. It is not balanced and perpetuates the fallacy that all humans will thrive on the same diet. What bollocks!
The fallacy thread #2 - the USDA "food pyramid"
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Perfection
The Great Head.
The new one or the old one?
It's a guide to eating a balanced diet; it is up to the individual to incorporate it into their lives as he or she feels fit.
Chazumi
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I have never followed the food pyramid. I try to eat only slightly higher calories than I have burned during the day ( and I burn a lot of calories, trust me), though I try to keep it "healthy". Lots of complex carbohydrates (noodles, bread), lots of vegetables for vitamins, lots of dairy ( I drink milk like a mofo) and lots of proteins (meat daily, I eat a ribeye every sunday). Also a bowl of some type of cereal daily. They have lots of DV recommendations.
Woohoo Honey Bunches of Oats!
Woohoo Honey Bunches of Oats!
Narz
keeping it real
Shoot, I didn't even know there was a new one!
Is it pretty much the same schnit? nm, I'll just look it up.
But what it considers "balanced" has no real basis besides just popular opinion. For example most humans have only been eating grains and dairy products for about 6000 years (many humans far less, depending on their ancestry). And not all meat, vegetables or starches are created equal.
Also, KETCHUP IS NOT A VEGETABLE!
Narz
keeping it real
Ah, that's some tasty stuff. I used to buy it in bulk at Costco.
If most Americans started following the food pyramid to the letter, it'd be a huge improvment.
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Regardless, I bet it's the only vegetable the average 600 lbs American (AND DON'T PRETEND YOU DON'T SEE THESE FAT AS**S ON A DAILY BASIS!) gets. Except for the lettuce and onion on their big mac.
LesCanadiens
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Shoot, I didn't even know there was a new one!
Is it pretty much the same schnit? nm, I'll just look it up.
It would probably be a good idea to take a look at the new one before a) immediately judging it in such a manner as is necessary to support your worldview and/or b) starting this thread.
That's why it's a guideline. It's not absolute, and no one ever claimed it was. Stop the strawmanning.
Also, more than 6,000 years ago people threw stones at their own shadows and died of old age and fear at 27. It stands to reason that our diet might be just a teensy bit different from theirs, doncha think?
Narz
keeping it real
Hmm, looks like their new guide is a little better (as it doesn't specify exact servings as makes the vegetables group almost as big as the grains group [which should really be called the starch group]). I still don't think milk deserves it's own group but I understand the dairy lobby is a powerful force.
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But without milk we couldn't have full and thick milk moustaches.
Narz
keeping it real
Yeah definitely. Just cutting out all the vegetable oil & sweets would have a huge positive impact.
I'd be willing to bet though that 99-100% of all government institutions (including public schools) don't even follow those rules.
Probably. It was just a spur of the moment thing.
Do you know what straw man means?
Guidelines should have a basis in reality.
There was a lot of war and death in childhood and superstition and people didn't wash their hands. I don't think the increase in longevity is due to switching from fresh vension & wild carrots to chef boy r dee microwavable meals.
Narz
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There are other ways.
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Chazumi
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Agreed. Is a life without milk moustaches really worth living?
Old joke from high school when the milk moustaches ads first came out:
Me: "Hey dude... check out Brittney Spears with her milk moustache"
Other Guy: "Yeah?"
Me: "Well I was there when she made that add, that ain't really a milk moustache.."
Other Guy: "hah!"
Perfection
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Narz
keeping it real
Too easy.
Ecofarm
Deity
Well, the "new" food pyramid is better. My 1983 copy of World Book Encylopedia lists "butter or margarine" as a food group (corporate lobbyists, anyone?).
Anyway, here is what is holding back real progress in the pyramid:
http://www.pcrm.org/magazine/gm07autumn/health_pork.html
ps. Since I don't eat meat or dairy, the farm bill is a big pork-barrel to me. Just build a giant bridge to nowhere instead, at least that doesn't poison people's bodies and minds.
Anyway, here is what is holding back real progress in the pyramid:
http://www.pcrm.org/magazine/gm07autumn/health_pork.html
ps. Since I don't eat meat or dairy, the farm bill is a big pork-barrel to me. Just build a giant bridge to nowhere instead, at least that doesn't poison people's bodies and minds.
Narz
keeping it real
Great link Eco, thanks for that, I've been looking for a comprehensive graph of where government food subsides go for a long time (albeit not very hard ).
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LesCanadiens
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And they do. All I've seen you do is present your views as fact, instead of presenting any evidence to back up your assertions that the food pyramid is absolutely horribly wrong.
You'd have to be a fool to think that improved diets haven't helped human longevity dramatically increase.
Ecofarm
Deity
Mostly, it was the medical revolution ~1900 (sanitation being the largest factor).
http://econ161.berkeley.edu/movable_type/2003_archives/001846.html
http://www.ciese.org/curriculum/popgrowthproj/worldpop.html
