The Future of our ecology?

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Well ,there will be a top-summit on the ecology (nature) soon ,what do you guys think of it.

Do you think our ecology will improve in about 20years time ,or do you think it will worsen?
And if it worsens ,in what way?

I'm not the smarterst person around here. But i'm young ,and ecology is important for my future. (more than for people 1 or 2 generations older than me i guess)
So i wan't some smart-ass oppinion's here.

 

[drake]

I think it will get worse if we continue the way we are and get better if we improve our careless ways.

Hey you asked for a smartass answer

Really, I have no clue......but steps to improve things do seem to be in the works.....we can only hope!

 

[thedirk]

Improvement will be an uphill battle. Governments, corporations, and individuals often are willing to sacrifice the environment for the sake of profit. As long as profit is the most important motivator, we will go down hill.

 

[ComradeDavo]

so what you mean is that as long as George W Bush is in power we will go down hill?

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

from TheDirk:

Improvement will be an uphill battle. Governments, corporations, and individuals often are willing to sacrifice the environment for the sake of profit. As long as profit is the most important motivator, we will go down hill

Well there are some way's to make ecology profitible ,like eco-tourism.Although it doesn't happen on a grand scale.But maybe it could happen on a grander scale.Althoug i'm a bit pessimistic about that. (just my oppinion)

But yes ,there is a lot of money to be found in harming nature.The energie industrie & lumber industrie for exampel are both very profitible to their economy's and building off those industries would problably weaken the economy's.(the economy of their home nations mostly)
As for most industrie's in general ,working to lesser pollution would cost a lot of money and effort and sometimes it can't be done withought making the company smaller.

Or like with endangered species.The fact that they are endangered only makes their price higher.And they mostley live in aria's with a lot of poor people.

And the fish poppulations ,who are decreasing every year because of over-fishing.

I would say not all of nature will be used ,only that what is financially interresting.

 

[damunzy]

Originally posted by ComradeDavo:
so what you mean is that as long as George W Bush is in power we will go down hill?

No, he is only there is blow or beer is avail., he already has the money!

And on the more important topic of our polution of nature: It will get much, much worse before it gets better.



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[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

If our leaders would just divert more gold to engineer production...

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

from Palehorse:

And on the more important topic of our polution of nature: It will get much, much worse before it gets better.

If it already gotten worse ,can nature recover?

I fear there is only one nature to destroy and that that one won't be healed quicly. (if it can be healed? )

And yes i'm so pessimistic to think pollution will get worser & worser.

A big factor to the problem is that it is a global problem.Some countrey's pollute more than others, so some local polliticians may be carrefull for our nature ,they have no power over the whole world.That way we need global treaty's.But how do you control such a treaty? In all the years the Kyoto treaty has existed it only changed to the worse ,because nobody was following up the treaty.Then what's the future of a new treaty?

I'm 20y old now ,and when i will be 40 the world will probably be ****ed up.
Afcourse ,people like G.W.Bush will probably never live to see that day.

There only toying with my generation's future.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

You eco-geeks, really! Talk about arrogance. You make it sound like humans actually have the capability to end life on this planet.

At best, we could eliminate its capacity to support human and some other higher-order lifeforms. The planet's natural balance will always be assured. Anything that consistently harms it will be rubbed out by its destruction of its own habitat. Man is doing that now. If he keeps it up, there will be a population crash, and he will either die out altogether, or die off in such numbers as to take centuries to recover, and hopefully learn something in the process.

It is the same principle as culturing bacteria in a petrie dish. They eat, reproduce, expand, reach the edge of the dish, and choke on their own waste and die out. Same goes for us. We'll either learn to replenish what we take, or die out. Either way, no harm, no foul.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

I agree that there always be liveforms on earth aslong it stays in the same orbit of the sun and if its core stays hot.
So you point is true ,we humans have not the possibelity to with industrial means pollute the earth that much that no liveforms could exist.I think it's possible with nuclear means ,but that's not relevant in this topic.
(i think with nuclear weapons mankind could actually (if they wanted) split the earth (and that would not be good for life on this planet))

But do we have to let it come so far.Would it mean nothing to you if mankind could come extinct? (not that i say that this surely will happen)

But the statement is severaly been made that if we continue the way we do now ,the state of our ecology wil worsen.Though nobody dares to give a prediction how far it wil probably go.
Afterall ,do we know enough of our ecology to predict what the effects of certain problems(like the greenhouse effect)will be.
Pretty risky situation i say.
But as long as there are now certainty's of what the effect will be ,we'll probably will continue our risky ways ,because those risky ways are profitible.

My conclusion: We wil probably know it when it's to late.
My oppinion is that it's Human Nature.


[This message has been edited by TheDuckOfFlanders (edited July 22, 2001).]

 

[Simon Darkshade]

I ain't no eco geek, but I don't like the way things are going. I reckon we are getting progressively f*cked. I don't know what to do on the matter, and don't really welcome the downfall of humanity, but the way things are going....

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[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2:
<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif" border=0> You eco-geeks, really! Talk about arrogance. You make it sound like humans actually have the capability to end life on this planet.

At best, we could eliminate its capacity to support human and some other higher-order lifeforms. The planet's natural balance will always be assured. Anything that consistently harms it will be rubbed out by its destruction of its own habitat. Man is doing that now. If he keeps it up, there will be a population crash, and he will either die out altogether, or die off in such numbers as to take centuries to recover, and hopefully learn something in the process.

It is the same principle as culturing bacteria in a petrie dish. They eat, reproduce, expand, reach the edge of the dish, and choke on their own waste and die out. Same goes for us. We'll either learn to replenish what we take, or die out. Either way, no harm, no foul.

Have you by any chance read Ian Malcolm's little diatribe about three quarters of the way through Jurassic Park where he flips out at John Hammond for talking about the end of the world? Similar response

And cockroaches shall roam the earth......

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Well ,the international top summit in the German city Bonn has just ended ,and there is now a new treaty ,whom is signed by all country's except America.
I don't know yet what the new quota's are.
Part of this treaty includes:

Punishments for country's who do not live by the treaty's.The form of the punishment's are not decided yet.

Country's may include the number of tree's they have as Co2 cleaners as to the fullist as they believe they can clean.

I find that treaty a bit soft.Although i first wana know what the newe quota's are ,in contrast to the preavious treaty.
Im glad there is atleast a new treaty.But i stay pessimistic about the future.

 

[Archbob]

The first thing to do is control the population


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