The idea of rotating the holy land

[Håkan Eriksson]

"Before 1917 some Zionist leaders took seriously proposals for Jewish homelands in places other than Palestine. Herzl's Der Judenstaat argued for a Jewish state in either Palestine, "our ever-memorable historic home", or Argentina, "one of the most fertile countries in the world". In 1903 British cabinet ministers suggested the British Uganda Program, land for a Jewish state in "Uganda" (actually in modern Kenya). Herzl initially rejected the idea, preferring Palestine, but after the April 1903 Kishinev pogrom Herzl introduced a controversial proposal to the Sixth Zionist Congress to investigate the offer as a temporary measure for Russian Jews in danger. Notwithstanding its emergency and temporary nature, the proposal still proved very divisive, and widespread opposition to the plan was fueled by a walkout led by the Russian Jewish delegation to the Congress. Nevertheless, a majority voted to establish a committee for the investigation of the possibility, and it was not dismissed until the 7th Zionist Congress in 1905."

Why not reopen the discussion and relocate the Jewish holy land to someplace else. Then the Jews can forget about Palestine/Israel being holy. Also the Christians can start forgetting about it too and focus more on chanting in the Vatican City, the Holy See. After all the five sees were ranked in descending order of precedence: Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem. And for the Arabs, Mecca is still the most holy metropolis. They can focus on that and forget about Palestine/Israel being holy.

 

[Esox]

I don't post in threads like this and probably never will again, but I'm confused a bit. Isn't the Holy Land considered holy because of events that have taken place there? And wouldn't that make it impossible for it to be "moved"?
I think it's the people, not the place, that are creating the problems. Tolerance, maybe? Just an idea.

 

[Quasar1011]

You make it sound so easy.
I doubt you can find any other "holy" location that is THAT holy. And besides who will the OLD holy land belong to ?

Psalm 24:1
The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it;

 

[azzaman333]

And besides who will the OLD holy land belong to ?

No one. Move everyone out of the "holy" land, so everyone feels discriminated (therefore making no one discriminated)

 

[Heretic_Cata]

Psalm 24:1
The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it;

I know ... we could extend that "definition" to the universe itself. But people tend to forget this ... so they fight for lands where holy men walked, not for lands that are "holy".

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

What that verse seems to mean is that everything - all land, all sea, all sky, etc - belongs to God, not to humans. Thus it is silly for one group or another to say that they have more of a claim because God gave it to them.

 

[Thequeenisgay]

"Before 1917 some Zionist leaders took seriously proposals for Jewish homelands in places other than Palestine. Herzl's Der Judenstaat argued for a Jewish state in either Palestine, "our ever-memorable historic home", or Argentina, "one of the most fertile countries in the world". In 1903 British cabinet ministers suggested the British Uganda Program, land for a Jewish state in "Uganda" (actually in modern Kenya). Herzl initially rejected the idea, preferring Palestine, but after the April 1903 Kishinev pogrom Herzl introduced a controversial proposal to the Sixth Zionist Congress to investigate the offer as a temporary measure for Russian Jews in danger. Notwithstanding its emergency and temporary nature, the proposal still proved very divisive, and widespread opposition to the plan was fueled by a walkout led by the Russian Jewish delegation to the Congress. Nevertheless, a majority voted to establish a committee for the investigation of the possibility, and it was not dismissed until the 7th Zionist Congress in 1905."

Why not reopen the discussion and relocate the Jewish holy land to someplace else. Then the Jews can forget about Palestine/Israel being holy. Also the Christians can start forgetting about it too and focus more on chanting in the Vatican City, the Holy See. After all the five sees were ranked in descending order of precedence: Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem. And for the Arabs, Mecca is still the most holy metropolis. They can focus on that and forget about Palestine/Israel being holy.

The land is not holy because of herzl its holy because G-d gave it to the jews after we left Eygpt (my belief dont shout at me)

and besides about the muslims with israel it is not metioned once in the koran and the alasqa mosque(far mosque) is apparently located in ethiopia i think anyway the muslims holy land is arabia and there holy city is mecca there just being greedy..

 

[Sidhe]

The land is not holy because of herzl its holy because G-d gave it to the jews after we left Eygpt (my belief dont shout at me)

and besides about the muslims with israel it is not metioned once in the koran and the alasqa mosque(far mosque) is apparently located in ethiopia i think anyway the muslims holy land is arabia and there holy city is mecca there just being greedy..

They do mention Abraham in The Koran and they do dispute his divine right to rule the area, bad man Thequeenisgay, take a smite from Alah. Personally I think both sides should be talking simply politics not claiming that one side has corrupted Gods' truths or that the other is refusing to accept God's truth

 

[Thequeenisgay]

they mention abraham but nothing about the land . the only slight time it could be considerd is them saying "the city to the far west"(i think) and most people refer this to ethiopia.... they have 1holy land isnt that enough for one nation in 50 years they will be claiming muhaamed took a nap in the vatican and jihad it. also jesrusalem is maentioned many hundreds of times in the jewish bible while it could maybe possibly ish be mentioned once in the koran...

good sabbath to all

 

[HannibalBarka]

The land is not holy because of herzl its holy because G-d gave it to the jews after we left Eygpt (my belief dont shout at me)

No, the Land is Holy because there are too many holes in it

and besides about the muslims with israel it is not metioned once in the koran and the alasqa mosque(far mosque) is apparently located in ethiopia i think anyway the muslims holy land is arabia and there holy city is mecca there just being greedy..

Al Aqsa Mosque in Ethiopia ? and the Temple of Salomon is in The Salomon Islands
Is that What Meir Kahana was saying ? such a holy man

 

[HannibalBarka]

they mention abraham but nothing about the land . the only slight time it could be considerd is them saying "the city to the far west"(i think) and most people refer this to ethiopia.... they have 1holy land isnt that enough for one nation in 50 years they will be claiming muhaamed took a nap in the vatican and jihad it. also jesrusalem is maentioned many hundreds of times in the jewish bible while it could maybe possibly ish be mentioned once in the koran...
good sabbath to all

Jerusalem is mentioned over a 1000 times in my Lonely Planet, so it belongs to Lonely-Planeters

 

[Sidhe]

they mention abraham but nothing about the land . the only slight time it could be considerd is them saying "the city to the far west"(i think) and most people refer this to ethiopia.... they have 1holy land isnt that enough for one nation in 50 years they will be claiming muhaamed took a nap in the vatican and jihad it. also jesrusalem is maentioned many hundreds of times in the jewish bible while it could maybe possibly ish be mentioned once in the koran...

good sabbath to all

They use Moses as a perfect foil, they claim the Idolatry of the Jews i.e. the Golden Calf incident, and Moses tennants that follow after he breaks the tablets the first time is a means to misrepresent the significance of a holy land, things change in the commandments after the first tablets are broken, thus they claim that the bible is misinterpriting the true word of God. No they don't mention the land directly in the Koran that's not what I meant they tend to dispute Moses motives and this isn't necessarily text based but it is a means to dispute the land.

I think the point is given enough time you can claim anything you want if religion is involved, which is why I suggest people stick to politics, the rest of the world acknowledges politics, but not belief.

Good sabbath to you too, although I don't have one I apreciate the sentiment

No, the Land is Holy because there are too many holes in it

Nope it's because it's wholly land and the only sea in it is dead so it doesn't count

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I think you mean Moses.

Anyways, the Mormon solution works out great for us but might not for them. Although there are sites (mostly in New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Illinois) that have historical significance, it is a few places in Missouri that are most relevant to our eschatalogical views, as certain things have to happen there before then Second Coming. The problem, as we see it, is that these sites are in the hands of several offshoot groups, only a few of which can even claim to be our sucessors. The solution is that we expect to get them back through legal means before we need them.

 

[Sidhe]

Edited for accuracy thanks Erin

Yeah they argue that Abrahams intepritation is false based on misinformation.

 

[Quasar1011]

they mention abraham but nothing about the land . the only slight time it could be considerd is them saying "the city to the far west"(i think) and most people refer this to ethiopia.... they have 1holy land isnt that enough for one nation in 50 years they will be claiming muhaamed took a nap in the vatican and jihad it. also jesrusalem is maentioned many hundreds of times in the jewish bible while it could maybe possibly ish be mentioned once in the koran...

God (Jehovah) gave Abraham a certain parcel of land, even defining its borders.

Genesis 15:18
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates...

Jehovah God later conferred the covenant with Abraham's son, Isaac:

Genesis 26:2-4
The LORD appeared to Isaac and said, "Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land where I tell you to live. Stay in this land for a while, and I will be with you and will bless you. For to you and your descendants I will give all these lands and will confirm the oath I swore to your father Abraham. I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed."

This covenant was not with Ishmael, but Isaac. Jehovah God later confirmed His covenant with Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham:

Genesis 35:12
The land I gave to Abraham and Isaac I also give to you, and I will give this land to your descendants after you."

 

[HannibalBarka]

Quasar1011, there is a nice peace of land south east of Paris, not far from Vincennes Park, a truly gorgeous place. Do you think there is a chance God (Jehovah) can give it to me? I mean what does the Bible say about this? My neighbour told me that his Rabbi told him the Lord gave it to him, my other neighbour doesn't agree since his Imam think the Lord promised to him instead. How are we going to settle this? would you please ask the lord a precise plan of what belongs to whom ?

 

[Heretic_Cata]

I've asked Him . He says he's bored and doesn't want to look into to paperwork to see who it belongs to, so each part should hire a lawyer and fight for it.

 

[azzaman333]

I've asked Him . He says he's bored and doesn't want to look into to paperwork to see who it belongs to, so each part should hire a lawyer and fight for it.

Thats because the land belongs to me. I have the paperwork to prove it!

Note: Actual paperwork may not exist.

 

[civ2]

Thats because the land belongs to me. I have the paperwork to prove it!

So do Jews!
Does anybody else have any?
ANSWER: NO!