The Imperialistic Trait, Underrated?

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Hmm, well at least no one put Industrius at the dead-bottom of the list, just the general bottom haha!

I think it's one that is still quite mis-understood, and I should probably write an article on it sometime to clear up some of those issues. The fact is, even if you are a pure war-monger, industrious STILL benefits you.

Show me a warmonger walkthrough, and I'll show you 100 & 1 ways it would have helped.

 

[Iranon]

I just find that IND scales very strangely with level. It's my favourite trait on Immortal. However...

Below Immortal, I might prefer PHI for spamming wonders - getting them isn't too much of a problem, and I get a faster return on the investment.
On Deity, I usually have more important things to do than chasing wonders.

Yes, cheap forges are wonderful... it's an expensive building you really want early because more production causes a nice little snowball effect. Still.

 

[kivanc]

Hmm, well at least no one put Industrius at the dead-bottom of the list, just the general bottom haha!

I think it's one that is still quite mis-understood, and I should probably write an article on it sometime to clear up some of those issues. The fact is, even if you are a pure war-monger, industrious STILL benefits you.

Show me a warmonger walkthrough, and I'll show you 100 & 1 ways it would have helped.

hmm. i red some of your articles and i'm also a fan of WE style. even when i plan not to wonder-spam, still at least 10 wonders i build in most games
on monarch difficulty, i can adopt an aggressive playstyle even with WE

here's a regular game attachment by me, not one of my best games but a regular WE/monarch game

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=185089&d=1218109162

in fact, on monarch i like adopting a WE strategy with many leaders, not only IND ones. as seen above, a half WE/CE game and 1918 space vict with Vicky/Monarch/Fractal/Large. in fact, i was also close to any victory type and had an army large enough for CON/DOM victory but chose the quicker one, space. my priority in that game was military but still i did build 20 wonders, most in London. London also build at least half of the spaceship itself.

but since i moved on to emperor, i feel i have to choose between

1) being aggressive and building wonders useful for me
2) staying in defense and wonderspamming

if i can get used to be aggressive and make war frequently while wonderspamming like i easily did on monarch, i would still gladly do it.

by the way, on continents maps everything is easier for me but i don't like it. i like harsh games with many civs on the same continent, most civs with different religions hating eachother. so WE+harsh wars all the time is hard on emperor.

i tried it with Cyrus/highlands/emperor once but failed slightly. it was just about to work but i failed during 1600s when i had a huge surprise attack by HC following attacks by Frederick, Mao and Genghis in order, all in a few 10turns, with short time difference. my army didn't have the time even to heal up. i think if i was not busy with 2/3 wonders at those turns, still i could eat all alive

 

[kivanc]

Below Immortal, I might prefer PHI for spamming wonders - getting them isn't too much of a problem, and I get a faster return on the investment.

yeah, i like WE with PHI much more than WE with IND. you get better benefits from wonders with PHI. WE with a pure warmonger like CYRUS is even possible, on monarch

i played a few WE Immortal games (and failed ) and found out that wonderspamming on that level without IND is nearly impossible. so IND is more critical for wonderspammers on higher levels.

On Deity, I usually have more important things to do than chasing wonders.

so as it is for me on emperor bec i'm not comfortable enough on emperor yet.
WE is a little bit risky about military so you have to be very comfortable on that level to play a WE game