The life long grude

[Furry Spatula]

How long do Civs hold grudges for with the new patch? I broke 1 treaty with everyciv and now i cant even trade them saltpeter, its kinda annoying. Plus every civ is furrious with me. All i think i can say is that i better get nukes first

 

[Lawrence]

According to my experience.............

Forever.

 

[Sodak]

I've found they warm up to gifts of maps. Early on, gifting contact with another civ makes them happy, too. If these options don't work for you, try something desperate...

 

[friedmad]

even if you destroy a civ, the people in their cities that you conquered hold grudges. the only thing to do in this case is to wait until, through city population expansion, the people from the conquered civ are bred out.

 

[andyo]

furry - i agree - it is soooo frustrating - you have a war with someone early on in the game - and they HATE you for the next 2000 years - eventually they will trade with you are rediculous prices, a thousand years later - but it is rediculous - on when they declare war/pearl harbor you, you kick their butt - then they hate you
it is especially frustrating when you have an early war, kiick them off your continent, leave them one tiny city on a far off island, make peace, and then they expect you to kiss their butt for the rest of the game to get them to act semi-civil towards them - they should be kissing your hairy benevolent bean bag for not finishing them off entirely -
has anyone ever had a former enemy be anything but furious at them for the rest of the game?

 

[Moss]

On lower levels I sometimes give the thech advances free which makes them happier. But if only one civ is furious with me and all the others aren't, it doesn't bother me too much.

 

[MuddyOne]

I have had enemies not be furious with me the rest of the game. If you raze any of their cities though they will be though. Abandoning seems to have a similar affect, but not quite as drastic. Less harsh peace settlement terms help as well.

 

[No.Dice]

Even if you do give them gifts, that'll just change their attitude to annoyed. They still will refuse to trade with you, no matter how large the gifts, or how often they recieve them. Should you manage to get them to polite or gracious (most likely through MPPs/alliances) they still will not be any more willing to deal with you.

The AI moods really don't stand for anything. A polite civ will backstab you, a furious one will send thousands of troops to die for your cause, giving back every conquered city will still leave their owner furious with you for the rest of the game.


It would be nice if we could have some sort of screen that keeps track of treaties, its tedious to enter diplomacy and check the active trades screen for each individual civ. Maybe they could just present us with a popup, "Doing this will break treaty x with the [civ], Do you wish to continue?

One mistake in 750 BC can ruin the entire game, as nobody will forgive, or forget.

 

[MuddyOne]

A popup would be nice. The f4 screen will show you MPP, ROPs, Alliances, and luxury/resource trades that are active. It won't show active money/turn. It is also limited to 7 civs.

 

[Zouave]

Originally posted by Lawrence
According to my experience.............

Forever.

Indeed. It is ridiculous.You also get blamed for stuff you NEVER did.

It is as if in the real world India in the 20th century hated Greece for destroying Troy over three thousand years earlier. And then India would not make a deal with Greece even though it was greatly to India's benefit.

I've had civs I met over a thousand years after I destroyed a civ that attacked me insult me for my "perfidy" with that long ago destroyed civ that could not tell a thing to the new civ. Not that the civ I just met on another continent would care what happened to some long dead civ when I am offering them a great deal.



I also miss the Eifel Tower Wonder in Civ 2 that could change reputations for the better.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Zouave- Do you have a life-long grudge against Firaxis?

 

[Citizen_K]

I always hate grudes. Grudes suck.

 

[Sanaz]

I find they hate me forever, unless I sign MPP's and start a war. Allies will start to love you. There are drawbacks to this, but it does help with diplomacy. If you destroy a civ together, sometimes they still love you, and sometimes they go back to hating you. When it comes to trading, I do notice that gracious civs seem to be more open to good offers, but if they want something bad enough even furious civs make the deal. I had a diplomatic victory once, only because I destroyed all the civs but my two allies - it was definitely a mistake.

 

[Furry Spatula]

heh heh, well oops. I guess im going to keep playing though. I stopped playing for a while and this was my first game in a few months. I decided to take a continent for myself. So when China, from another contintent, decided to land i took over their one city then i got everyone on that other continent to declare war on China. I broke off the treaty b/c of war weariness and i didnt think it would last for that long. But ohwell. When i get nukes, their asses are mine. I'll take the first strike so they wont have anything to retaliate with mua ha ha.

PS Zouave, im just currious why you are still complaining. From when i started posting at this forum you were complaining. I mean you say Firaxis isn't listening so why are you still trying? Just do what 90% of us do when we buy a game we are unhappy with, Shut up and live with it, dont agrivate yourself by complaining all the time, its un healthy. Live longer, be complaicent.

 

[Dell19]

I've had one example of where an empire liked me for a little while. I had attacked the Germans early on but then late in the game we both were fighting the Indians so they no longer hated me. However they then declared war on me so it was back to them hating me

 

[alexander dumas]

I'm in a game now and everybody hates me, but I've been getting great deals for luxuries and techs. It's strange. It's also the first time I haven't broken a deal and the AIs all have.

 

[Zouave]

Originally posted by Bamspeedy
Zouave- Do you have a life-long grudge against Firaxis?

Why don't YOU address the issues and facts relevant to the game instead of attacking me? Do you have a vested interest in defending Firaxis' illogic?? Maybe some stock?

 

[eg577]

Don't think it is reasonable that civ's hate you for stuff thousands of years ago? In new games I tend to hate civs that hated me the last game.

 

[akinkhoo]

I hate the zulu....period!