The Rule of King Jesus Among The Nations

[amadeus]

Jesus loves all of God's creatures...

OR ELSE

 

[Orioles3386]

Originally posted by jkljlkj


But it also says all sinners shall be forgiven.

No, it states all sinners that repent and obey God will be forgiven. Those that remain sinners go into the eternal fires prepared for the devil and his angels. [/B][/QUOTE]


How do you know who has and hasn't repented? Thats nobody's business but God's

 

[nixon]

But Defensor, why so reluctant, what do you have to say about Jews today??

 

[jkljlkj]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
Jesus loves all of God's creatures...

OR ELSE

Jesus is subject to no one, and those who refuse Jesus of their own free will (which are ALL who refuse Jesus) will be condemned and punished because they have despised God and have chosen to remain separated from Him. They will be cast into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Moggy]

jkljlkj doesnt it say in the Bible "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

That is probably not the exact words btw!

 

[Wise Ass]

So if one goes to church every day prays every night, and believes in god to the deepest extent but thinks what YOU preach is false... The are going to burn in hell... I doubt it.

 

[Becka]

Originally posted by jkljlkj


Ah but the quote does not disprove me in the slightest, because she is assuming what she has not proved (that I do not follow the LORD).

She has not proved that at all, but merely condemned herself. She goes against the entire tradition of the Church and the scriptures, which say it is RIGHTEOUS to condemn false religions, and A SIN to accept and praise them and their promoters.

"You have heard that the law of Moses says, 'Love your neighbor' and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust too."

Matthew 5:43-45

 

[jkljlkj]

Originally posted by Orioles3386


No, it states all sinners that repent and obey God will be forgiven. Those that remain sinners go into the eternal fires prepared for the devil and his angels.

How do you know who has and hasn't repented? Thats nobody's business but God's [/B][/QUOTE]

The idea that we should not judge whether someone is saved or damned is anathema to the scriptures and has nothing to do with the truth. It is in fact a heresy. We are to test all things and prove them says the Apostle Paul. Likewise Christ states in Matthew 7 that we must test the prophets and judge to see who is from God and the devil.

IT is our business to determine who is among the Truth and who is not. This is the perennial teaching of the Church.


It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to decline from the truth of judgment. He who justifies the wicked is abominable before God. (Proverbs 18:5; 17:15)

True Christian prudence makes us judge things as Jesus Christ judged them, and to speak and act as He did. (St. Vincent de Paul) 1

Before you inquire, blame no man; and when you have inquired, reprove justly. (Ecclesiasticus 11:7)

The love of neighbor has its limits. To outstep these limits by loving our neighbor as we love God would be an enormous crime. (Catechism of Trent) 2

He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. (St. Matthew 10:37)

If, therefore, the whole Church come together into one place, and there come in someone who does not believe, he is convicted by everyone; he is judged by everyone. (I Corinthians 14:23-24)

Our Lord has clearly commanded us to regard as heathens those who will not hear the Church. (Ven. Pope Pius IX) 3

He who does not believe is already judged. (St. John 3:18)

It is hereby condemned as error that, although it is clearly established that a man is a heretic, you are not bound to denounce him, should you be unable to prove it. (Pope Alexander VII) 4

That we can have at least good hope for the salvation of all those who have never been in the true Church of Christ is hereby condemned as error. (Ven. Pope Pius IX) 5

 

[jkljlkj]

Originally posted by Becka


"You have heard that the law of Moses says, 'Love your neighbor' and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust too."

Matthew 5:43-45

This passage has nothing to do with teaching against heresy and condemning your enemies as heretics.

 

[Wise Ass]

Playa... Err... Beca is going to match you quote for quote

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by jkljlkj
Jesus is subject to no one, and those who refuse Jesus of their own free will (which are ALL who refuse Jesus) will be condemned and punished because they have despised God and have chosen to remain separated from Him. They will be cast into the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Looks like I should pack some Sea-Bond, too.

 

[Logain]

Originally posted by jkljlkj

Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian religion will be damned, as was Mohammed. (St. Peter Mavimenus) 7

Hey I was raised a Catholic and to me its just as much a pile of crock as any other religion around the world!

 

[jkljlkj]

You are all deceived and have been taught to promote idolaters. You have all been brainwashed. Now God will send Mohammedans into your lands to blow you up and destroy you, because you forsook His covenant and made peace with the enemy.

 

[amadeus]

One thing I can't figure out is how do you plan on getting more people to believe in Christianity when you are just making [idle] threats?

 

[Wise Ass]

Originally posted by Wise Ass
So if one goes to church every day prays every night, and believes in god to the deepest extent but thinks what YOU preach is false... The are going to burn in hell... I doubt it.

***Reposes question***

 

[Wise Ass]

Originally posted by jkljlkj
You are all deceived and have been taught to promote idolaters. You have all been brainwashed. Now God will send Mohammedans into your lands to blow you up and destroy you, because you forsook His covenant and made peace with the enemy.

How will he go about this with out killing those who are innocent??

 

[amadeus]

You only go to church once a day? Heathan!

 

[Wise Ass]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
You only go to church once a day? Heathan!

I was not speaking of me I have not been to church in years... however I am not the one in question.

 

[jkljlkj]

Originally posted by Wise Ass


How will he go about this with out killing those who are innocent??

For the sake of the few righteous God promised to preserve Sodom from judgment. God accomodated Abraham's wish by sending Lot out of Sodom before it was judged in a great cloud of fire. Those who die as righteous, or who are afflicted as righteous, like the prophet Jeremiah who was afflicted with his people Israel, will attain to greater Glory in heaven.

 

[Becka]

That night, Matthew invited Jesus and his disciples to be his dinner guests, along with his fellow tax collectors and many other notorious sinners. The Pharisees were indignant. "Why does your teacher eat with such scum?" they asked his disciples.

When he heard this, Jesus replied, "Healthy people don't need a doctor- sick people do." Then he added, "Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: 'I want you to be merciful; I don't want your sacrifices.' For I have come to call sinners, not those who think they are already good enough."

Matthew 9:10-12