The Science Department - Term 1

[Civanator]

This is where Science stuff will be discussed. Also I will post the current technology research for the current era. I will post the techs we have and the techs the other civs have that we don't.

Current- Chivalry
Next- Invention
After- Gunpowder
Near Future- Chemistry
Far Future- Metallurgy
Research is debateable!!

Ancient Era: All
Middle Ages: Monotheisms Feudalism, and Engineering
Industrial Ages: None
Modern Times: None


Egypt- None
Zululand- None
Rome- Unreachable
Babylon- None
India- None
China- Unreachable
America- None
Greece- None
Iriquois- Unreachable
Aztecs- Unreachable

Last Updated April 30, 2002.

 

[Civanator]

As Head of the National Science Department, or the NSD I will define the deciscions i will be making in the first post of this thread.


Wonders:
Great Library (We have it )
Cure for Cancer
Copornecus' Observatory
Newton's University

Improvements:
Library (Have in: Fox's Nest, Pherris, Civanatoria, and Washington. Building one in Macao
University
Research Lab

Small Wonders:
Intellagence Agency(For stealing technologies)

 

[Charis]

Greetings Civanator,

Everyone knows that true power lies in knowledge, and so the military departments looks forward to the fruits of your research programs. I applaud your decision to learn Iron Working at an early stage. Knowledge of strategic resources is vital to the well being of our nation. Though we will hopefully not need masses of swordsmen or horses, knowing the location of these resources, especially with a neighbor like Persia, will be vital to our country's interests. I can see Literature as a high priority for the Great Library and for libraries, but I know you will not neglect discovering where horses are by forsaking a relatively early researching of the cheap technology, the wheel.

Peace,
Charis

 

[Civanator]

we can fit the wheel in there somewhere. i was just giving a look at how we are gonna research in 2 different scenario cases.

 

[Grey Fox]

Originally posted by Civanator
For Research(Results of Map Depend): If we are with someone on a land mass, We will be going for Ironworking immediatly and then Literature.
If we are alone we will be going for Map Making and then Literature then Ceremonial Burial.

I guess it would be best to go for Alphabet quickly then? Even before we know our situation. Because it would be needed on all paths we could take...

 

[Pggar]

Originally posted by Grey Fox
I guess it would be best to go for Alphabet quickly then? Even before we know our situation. Because it would be needed on all paths we could take...

That's right. After researching Alphabet we'll probably know if we should go for Iron Working (civs around) or Map Making (island scenario).

The good thing is that we'll start with Masonry and Bronze Working.

It's time we start talking about science exchange. In case we find foreigners what will be the NSD position on the actions of the Trade Department. Is Alphabet worth anything? Is anyone of our advances unexchangeable.
Personally, I don't like giving foreigners the ability to defend their puny cities. So, BW is a no go, except in the case where Alphabet is in the table.

Pggar
Science Deputy of the Phoenatic Empire -

 

[Civanator]

The com REALLY likes Bronze Working, Masonry and Alphabet because:
Bronze Working=good defenders
Masonry=Pyramids
Alphabet-->Writing-->Map Making and Literature and Code of Laws and Philosophy which will get Republic.

Also the com will pay alot of $$$$$$$ for Iron Working and the Wheel cause they give resources.

I also have a tech tree that i made to show the computer's most valued techs. I had to zip it because the original file is a bmp

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Originally posted by Pggar

It's time we start talking about science exchange. In case we find foreigners what will be the NSD position on the actions of the Trade Department. Is Alphabet worth anything? Is anyone of our advances unexchangeable.

The trade department will coordinate any tech exchange recommendations with the needs of our brainiacs. Clearly a unified strategy is ideal, as we can look for ways to acquire techs that you many low prioritize.

For example, Ceremonial Burial is low priority under your plan above, and probably could be had cheap prior to us deciding to invest beakers in it.

My philosophy is never to trade an advancement that leads to showing a resource, or is necessary for completion of a key wonder (in my book, that would Great Library in ancient times).

Looking forward to our departments working together.

Bill
Trade Leader

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

the first turn's have been played.I don't know for sure anymore wich tech's we already have ,but i know we are researching Iron working at this moment.

I ask from the DOC to list wich tech's we already have ,wich one we are currently researching ,and most importantly wich one we will research next.

 

[Charis]

We are the Persians. We are the immortals. We are industrious.
We are... Scientific!

I commend the people on the choice of a tradition, and for choosing this path. I am also pleased to see the Presidents recognition of our heritage by starting off with Iron Working.

In other threads in Military and Foreign Affairs I speak of our Manifest Destiny, to own our starting continent. I will not repeat these words here, but they color the following statements.

If we're on an island, we will be forced to research our own techs for some time, and will be glad for our attention to science.

Whether on an island or a huge continent, I support the whipping of libraries in about every city! It's super for culture, the best 'value' we have, hands down, for a sci civ, and will lay a foundation for a future of scientific endeavor.

My other point will be the one that might cause concern in the scientific circles. If we are not alone, but our surrounded by other tribes that go against our Manifest Destiny, I have proposed that the route we take for science be 100% purchase, 0% research. This is not a neglect of science at all, but a need for immediate action, AND efficiency in learning. If not on a rock, I believe we are in for a Jihad, and Iron Working is ALL we need - get Literature asap both for libraries and the Great Lib. Early requests for Horses were before I knew we were Persian. That request is withdrawn as a moot unnecessary path. If we end up in a spot without horses and others have founded there, these poachers will be taught the folly of opposing our destiny.

Longer term, post-continent-redemption, post-Immortals, post-education (if we get the Great Library), I think THAT will be the time for our scientific people to take up the mantle of research. If we do our job right in this Ancient Era, we may never need to fight another war past the Jihad, and we should see a glorious Scientific and Cultural explosion.

Just wanted to lend my support for science, and point out the need for something that might be unpleasant short term. If you have any concerns, read the Manifest Destiny posts and see if you find agreement with the will of the people.

Charis

 

[Justus II]

I want to echo my suport for literature, as my experience with Scientific civs is that Libaries are critical for expanding our borders and our culture quickly, as well as the boost to science. Building up culture early can help keep any annoying wandering settlers away from our homeland (if we don't kill them first) by making sure our borders interlock quickly.

The science benefits are obvious, but getting lots of libraries early can have a big impact, especially when techs are still relatively cheap. The Culture benefit is even bigger, because they will get their 1000 year old bonus relatively quickly (since the turns cover more years per).

Respectfully, your deputy Culture minister.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Justus II
I want to echo my suport for literature, as my experience with Scientific civs is that Libaries are critical for expanding our borders and our culture quickly, as well as the boost to science. Building up culture early can help keep any annoying wandering settlers away from our homeland (if we don't kill them first) by making sure our borders interlock quickly.

The science benefits are obvious, but getting lots of libraries early can have a big impact, especially when techs are still relatively cheap. The Culture benefit is even bigger, because they will get their 1000 year old bonus relatively quickly (since the turns cover more years per).

Respectfully, your deputy Culture minister.

The Department of Domestic Affairs supports this idea wholeheartedly, and this will be reflected by the construction of cultural buildings and particularly libraries in all of our cities, as soon as possible. We must, however, finish researching iron working first.

 

[Justus II]

Agreed, Iron Working is the key to our Immortals! I meant Literature as the "second" priority. After all, what will they write about until our great Immortals go out and smash our foes!

 

[Civanator]

After researching Iron Working we will be Researching the Wheel and then Warrior Code. After Warrior Code we will research Pottery and then alphabet.
If anyone objects feel free to speek up.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Civanator
After researching Iron Working we will be Researching the Wheel and then Warrior Code. After Warrior Code we will research Pottery and then alphabet.
If anyone objects feel free to speek up.

I would suggest going straight for literature, so that we may build the Great Library. The other advantage to this, is that the AI civs rarely research literature, so we would be able to trade it for other techs. We will be able to buy the wheel and warrior code from other civs for reasonable prices.

 

[Immortal]

I say we should finish research on iron working, and then start on alphabet. Pottery, the wheel and warrior code can be purchased for a small price in my opinion. If and when we locate another civ Im sure it will help our diplomatic ties to teach us there knowledge for gold, hopefully the civs we find will have those advances!

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Now that we know there are no immediate nearby neighbors, I agree with the path to Litarature at this point. Cheap Libraries in our Scientific civ allow for rapid culture expansion as well as increased research.

Bill
Trade Leader

 

[Justus II]

I second (third?) the motion to go straight for literature. Without pressing needs, we can get by without the horses, and besides our Immortals can defeat any early nearby foes if we find them. As mentioned, the computers generally get to horseback riding pretty quick, and we can trade for it if needed.

The sooner we build libraries, the BETTER!
Remember, "Reading Is Fundamental"

 

[croxis]

I also vote for going right to Lit. We have no idea what kind of contact the other civilizations have with eachother. They might be far past us right now! (BTW what patch are we working with?)

 

[Grey Fox]

After two turns played we are on our way on getting Iron working, I believe we have 16 Turns left on it (We have played about 24 turns). BUT we learned the Ceremonial Burial from some friendly villagers nearby.

So if you are going to keep up with which techs we have got, check that one.