The Science Department - Term 1

[Civanator]

By popular demand we will finish Iron Working, go for Alphabet, Get Writing, and then research Literature. After that if we dont get Pottery from a tribe or other civ we will get that and get Map Making.
I just got the game and i am examined it after i posted.
If anyone objects to the 2nd half of the proposal then feel free to speek up.

 

[Cyc]

and all this time i thought our moderator was the only one that didn't own a copy of civ3.

 

[Civanator]

what do u mean? I have civ3 i just didnt have the save.

 

[Cyc]

my deepest apologies, civanator. i misunderstood your meaning of "the game". i believe i need some sleep.

 

[eyrei]

There is some possibility that we will complete iron working in todays session, so if anybody has any objection the starting on alphabet next, they need to voice their opinion quickly. Personally, I believe the science minister's queue is excellent, and mirrors my opinion on the matter.

 

[Cyc]

the DOC concurs. the Great Library will be an important addition to our capital.

 

[Shaitan]

As does the Department of Foreign Affairs. The Great Library will remove any dependence on foreign technology for quite some time. This will put us in an excellent bargaining position when dealing with other civilizations.

 

[marshalljames]

As It turns out in fact that we are a scientific people I wholly support the building of the great library. From what I have heard maintaining a scientific lead is more difficult under patch 1.17 so GL should be of great benefit.

 

[chiefpaco]

Q about the Great Library. I assume we will start it by prebuilding something else. If we find, by the time the GL is to be built, that it would not be most advantageous, can we have a back-up plan? There are some cases (i.e. haven't found many civs, we have a tech lead, already close to Education, etc), where it might be more advantageous to have the Pyramids or Great Lighthouse, let alone come as a great consolation prize in case we do not win this battle.

Most of all, I would not want all our hard work to go in vain!

My 2 cents...

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by chiefpaco
Q about the Great Library. I assume we will start it by prebuilding something else. If we find, by the time the GL is to be built, that it would not be most advantageous, can we have a back-up plan? There are some cases (i.e. haven't found many civs, we have a tech lead, already close to Education, etc), where it might be more advantageous to have the Pyramids or Great Lighthouse, let alone come as a great consolation prize in case we do not win this battle.

Most of all, I would not want all our hard work to go in vain!

My 2 cents...

We will likely start building the Pyramids, since that is the only wonder available in our capital right now. Of course, if we find another wonder would be more beneficial, we will switch to that.

 

[Benjamin Miller]

The Department of Foreign Affairs is pleased to have extracted many technological advances from our neigbours.

Among them:

The Wheel
Warrior Code
Pottery
Mysticism

And Phoenatica is currently researching Writing.

We hope that the Science department will be pleased with all the foreign science we have extracted from our neibours.

Benjamin Miller
Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister

 

[Civanator]

Yes I am very pleased with the technologies we got from our neighbors. I am also pleased with the Foreign Ministry for telling me this update.

and from now on i will keep a research track at the 1st post of this thread so we know what we are researching

 

[allhailIndia]

We must start the construction of wonders soon

 

[Pggar]

Originally posted by Civanator
and from now on i will keep a research track at the 1st post of this thread so we know what we are researching

Nice! May I suggest that you put the techs owned by our neighbours. Right now, Babylonians and Aztecs have Horseback Riding.

 

[Charis]

Recent military and analysis has called for the shifting of budget from research to immortal-upgrade-funds. I wanted to mention that here, as a proponent of the advancement of science myself, that I believe this to be the best and most efficient path to scientific success, and not a slight in any way on the importance of this subject.

It's a matter of economics and production rate.
You can do other things to get cash, but not production.
We can produce three immmortals with shields+cash at the same rate as shields-only (but this takes cash).
We can buy techs at literally one half the gold cost as researching it on our own.
We can demand tribute of techs when our arrogant foes come under the sword of these very immortals, for a further savings, allowing us to forge even further ahead on technology.

We have all we 'need' in this era thanks to the foreign dept's acquiring of techs, except for literature and monarchy. (Our goal rather than republic, but that discussion is a long way off)
It's just we not need be the first to research literature (or writing), but can buy it. *Especially* since we can in no way afford to let Fox Nest start on a wonder anytime in the next hundred or so year.

If we do get the chance to 'receive' techs by sparing someone for 20 turns, I hope to "make it up" some to the scientific cause.

General Charis

 

[eyrei]

Science is currently at 20%, which is the lowest rate at which we are still researching. It will stay that way until further notice. We can discuss after todays session.

 

[Pggar]

About that science rate, why is at the minimum?
At 90% we'll win 8 turns of research and lose only 2g/turn.
Isn't that acceptable. Is the money that important now?

 

[Civanator]

Pggar is right. at 90% we'll only be losing 3 g/turn and get literature in 27. Also we'll be founding 2 new cities so that will put our income up. So i see no reason why we should put it down to 10%.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Civanator
Pggar is right. at 90% we'll only be losing 3 g/turn and get literature in 27. Also we'll be founding 2 new cities so that will put our income up. So i see no reason why we should put it down to 10%.

I agree. A couple of things happened in the last few turns of the last session that skewed the domestic slider. First, we completed 3 temples, reducing our income by 3 gold/turn, second, we completed a settler in Eyr, which is a corruption free city, further reducing our income. After we were finished, I realized a few other things that needed to be tweaked as well, but could not get access to the internet to mention them. I will elaborate after I get home from work.

 

[donsig]

I would like to thank the Science leader for making pertinent information available in the first post of this thread. It is great to be able to see at a glance how things are going!

It is disheartening to see that not only is the spending on science very low, but we do not have horseback riding and our neighbors do!

It would be so nice if the other departments had summaries in the first post of their threads!:enlighten