The Scots Should be Added to Civ3 in the New XP?

[Deathwalker]

The scots did not invent the modern world, neither Scotland or the Dutch should be in the exspansion pack

 

[mrtn]

I'll join the slander club.
I could probably (with a lot of work ) make a similar list of famous Swedes, and claim that Sweden should be a civ in conquests. I won't and don't. And you don't need to tell me that Scandinavia is in PTW.

That will see its way into Holland in a decade or so (that's the normal time it takes for new ideas to reach continental Europe).

And this might have been true 200 years ago, but now it's bull.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Originally posted by mrtn
I'll join the slander club.
I could probably (with a lot of work ) make a similar list of famous Swedes, and claim that Sweden should be a civ in conquests. I won't and don't.

And this might have been true 200 years ago, but now it's bull.

It's not bull. 200 years ago it took longer, but now about a decade. Take "gender studies" for Renaissance Italy. Started to be written about in the 70s, got to the continent in the 80s.

Originally posted by mrtn

I'll join the slander club.
I could probably (with a lot of work ) make a similar list of famous Swedes, and claim that Sweden should be a civ in conquests. I won't and don't.

And this might have been true 200 years ago, but now it's bull.

Scandinavia is in PTW, so the inclusion of Sweden is not an issue.


If you want to argue the case of Sweden versus Scotland just for the heck of it, I encourage you to open a thread on the appropriate forum. No offence, but I'm supremely confident of your total ignorance of the subject, but I know there are alot of patriotic and intelligent Swedes on these boards, so it should be fun.

Originally posted by mrtn


I'll join the slander club.

You didn't, much to your credit. But if you have been enraged by my arrogance, you willl help me prove my case by doing so. The more the merrier as they say

Say something along the lines of "Scotland was a joke nation, identical to England" and I'll be happy.

But if you can, I'd be even happier if you put forward arguments which actually acknowledge what I've already said. I know that would mean you'd have to read what I've written , but it would actually make the thread a little more evenly balanced.

 

[Yoda Power]

no

I think Scotland is an exelent civ to have if there were like 50 different civs, but theres not.

 

[mrtn]

Scotland was a joke nation, identical to England.
Happy now?

No offence, but I'm supremely confident of your total ignorance of the subject,

Why shouldn't I take offence when you assume this? You don't know me, and don't know what I know. If you don't want to give offence, then take care to not offend. It's simple. Writing "No offence, but..." is just lazy.

 

[Pangur Bán]

Originally posted by mrtn
Scotland was a joke nation, identical to England.

Well, you have joined the slander club.

Calling any nation a "joke nation" is quite simply racist. You didn't even back it up, despite all the evidence I've provided to the contrary.

Originally posted by mrtn

Why shouldn't I take offence when you assume this? You don't know me, and don't know what I know. If you don't want to give offence, then take care to not offend. It's simple. Writing "No offence, but..." is just lazy.

No, I don't know you, But 1) you disagree with me, 2) you've said so and 3) you have backed it up with nothing but racist slander.
I have enough experience on this forum, and on internet forums in general, to know that when people are want to see a flaw, they'll attack it like wolves if they are not too ignorant.

 

[bru]

yes!!

 

[scotland_no1]

Originally posted by jack merchant
After that exhaustive post I would almost have voted 'yes', were it not for your dismissive attitude towards other civs, and I quote:





I submit that the only reason that the Scots had a colonial impact was because of Union. If we're talking colonial impact, the Portuguese have an even stronger right to be in.
Also, as a commercial civ, the Dutch blow the Scots away. I'd suggest Jonathan Israel's Rise and Fall of the Dutch Republic for a good view of the Dutch role in history.
Now I must admit that the discovery of the adhesive postage stamp revolutionized history, but I fail to see why Earl Haig, who sent hundreds of thousands of men to a senseless death is in any way a shining example of the greatness of Scotland.

scotland wouldnt be commercial it would be scientific industrious. and if u read calgacus's report scotland would easilt blow the netherlands away in both of these traits.

anyway i think they should be in and reading your report (although i knew most of it anyway) has cemented my decision... however i have a feeling they wont be in it. If the dutch and protugese are in the game then scotland should definetely be in it nomatter what. it has had a huge world impact. all of us wouldnt be talking over the internet right now or even have a civilisation game or a computer! if it wasnt for us.

P.S. calgacus ure a good at arguing and putting your point across. i think that everything someone has said negative about our country in this forum has had a comeback by calgacus..well done

and before anyone sais it again our country and england are not the same and never were, they are totally diffirent, about as diffirent as russia is to the USA,

 

[scotland_no1]

Originally posted by Deathwalker
The scots did not invent the modern world, neither Scotland or the Dutch should be in the exspansion pack

where in this entire forum did we say that we invented the modern world??? that is such a silly thing to say.. neither did babylon...neither did peria..neither did many many nations in PTW..however we are leading development for a cure for cancer...if we never excisted u would have no PC infront of u. You would have no phone so therefore no internet and no mobile phones.

P.S. scotland would make an amazing scenraio for wars with england and wars with scandinavia..weve all seen braveheart wouldnt it be fun to play that as a scenraio but in the larger scale.

 

[scotland_no1]

Originally posted by LouLong

The Scottish Enlightment was important but not THAT influential over the rest of the wrold or even Europe.

PS. Calgalus : try to bring Zulu in. You will have one person that agrees with you (I hope about Scottish pride, not about the quality of arguments).

so your trying to imply that the telephone had no impact over the rest of the world?

you trying to imply that penecillin had no impact even though it has saved over 500,000,000 lives worldwide?

 

[jack merchant]

Originally posted by scotland_no1


scotland wouldnt be commercial it would be scientific industrious. and if u read calgacus's report scotland would easilt blow the netherlands away in both of these traits. ,

I was, of course, referring to Calgacus's references to Scottish trade. You are therefore misunderstanding me

Originally posted by scotland_no1

all of us wouldnt be talking over the internet right now or even have a civilisation game or a computer! if it wasnt for us.

Somehow, I find that hard to believe. Scotland doesn't have a monopoly on clever people, you know....
But you can always mod in Scotland if it's so important to you

 

[scotland_no1]

Originally posted by jack merchant

Somehow, I find that hard to believe. Scotland doesn't have a monopoly on clever people, you know....
But you can always mod in Scotland if it's so important to you

i already have made a scneario of europe map with sween leaderhead in it and a UU.

just because something came from us dowsnt mean we own it and sell it. EG carl benz was the first person to sell cars, but does germany have a car manufacturing monopoly...no of cource they dont. just because someone invents something doent mean they have to have a monopoly on it.

 

[Drynagolt]

I don't think that the Netherlands can make it into the Xp and I certainly don't think that Scotland should. Sure Scotland has really cool culture and I am part Scottish but seriously, we can only add maybe one more European civ, possibly two. Try to get some east Europeans. On my map I've not nothing father east then Germany until Russia.(Greece is too far south) Either Poland or Hungary would help to balance a very crowded continent.

 

[Nad]

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[Pangur Bán]

Originally posted by Nad
Bashing and flaming deleted

You're talking non-sense Nad, and not just because I disagree with you, but because you really are. If you want to make a serious point, then make it and don't try to hide behind childish and pathetic sarcasm

 

[Kenric af Grashen]

without the scots our army that conquered the world would be nothing they had a massive influence inside of our army and we refined our tactics fighting the scots in the first place. so Scotland should be added.

 

[Nad]

More bashing and flaming deleted.

 

[Kenric af Grashen]

Originally posted by Nad
Scots claim to have invented penicillin. What a load of tosh. It was discovered at Oxford University, anyone with any amount of medical historical knowledge should know that...

actually if you don't know were taught (earlier this year) that Alexander Flemming discovered penicilin in mould that was growing on his feet! after he left the mould in some agar latter on 2 american dudes refined it and latter brought us penicillin

 

[Pangur Bán]

Originally posted by Nad
bashing and flaming deleted

It wasn't discovered at Oxford at all. If you're speaking of Howard Florey and his researchers, they only refined Fleming's discovery because Fleming didn't have the expertise.

Frankly, saying things are "crap", "tosh", etc, is fine, but not without backing it up. When you say "though I would say bits of it were inaccurate" I suspect that you're probably correct, but not backing it up just makes you seem like a generic explicitive deleted ). You may not be, I grant that, but there is no evidence as yet to the contrary.

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[Ultraworld]

Scotland vs. the Netherlands

Holland was smaller than Scotland,

But more inhabitants. btw: Scotland isn't that much bigger.

it had less colonial impact,

Excuse me.
We had the entire indonesian Archipeloo. Currently 200 miljon people.
We have sailed all the oceans.
We were to only one who had contact with Japan.

it's younger than Scotland,

Depends on your definition

it's not as distinctive and, in my opinion, has achieved less.

Look dude.
- We have won the Cup in 1988 for countries
- beaten the english several times in all those trade wars
- In the 20st century we had the most noble price winners (at least in physics) per head of the population.
- Got the best looking women
- Kicked Spain out of our country
- between 1600-1700 the dutch monetary unit was the dollar of the world. Beat that
- Ducth FCs have wun 6 Champions Leagues. Scotland : 1
- We are the tallest people in the world
- Wun more medals on the Olympics

we just kick ass and can easily beat your country

We are just #1

The Netherlands has very little strengths as a civ vis-à-vis the Scots.

a what a what ???????

They produced some great men, but not in any extraordinary number, and very few who changed the world.

Im gonna change the world



Scotland has failed. They became part of another country. We are still independant. Ha

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This is just fun.

We still rule



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