I've been playing for a couple months now and love the game. Recently moved up to Prince. My main area of remaining confusion is diplomacy. Does it matter if I say 'very well' or 'you'll be sorry'? What does 'oh, great, the vermin are breeding' mean? Why does an AI civ decide to denounce me when I did nothing to them? Is there a thread you'd recommend that breaks this down?
It means they are hostile towards another Civ you currently have a declaration of friendship with. Just a message to inform you that you gained a negative diplo modifier against that Civ ("You have a declaration of friendship with one of their enemies!")
IIRC its unverified, but one could get a less bad warmonger penalty with the other civs if you say "you will pay for this" and then DOW the offending civ
In my current game I started close to Gandhi. Seems like a good chance to have a good friend? Nope!
He settled two cities in my face, and later denounced me for NO GOOD REASON at all. He got what was comin' to him when China took one of the cities he had settled in my face and made peace with him. Eventually China declared war on me also. I took Gandhi's former city, and I didn't give it back!
But what relates to this thread in this story is that as far as I know he didn't even have any negative modifiers against me, yet he denounced me.
They don't NEED no stinkin' visible negative modifiers against you to denounce you! They have their own INvisible modifiers to consider, and it's not as if you are not just a bit arbitrary in how you deal with the other AI, either.
I've been playing for a couple months now and love the game. Recently moved up to Prince. My main area of remaining confusion is diplomacy. Does it matter if I say 'very well' or 'you'll be sorry'? What does 'oh, great, the vermin are breeding' mean? Why does an AI civ decide to denounce me when I did nothing to them? Is there a thread you'd recommend that breaks this down?
I've been playing for a couple months now and love the game. Recently moved up to Prince. My main area of remaining confusion is diplomacy. Does it matter if I say 'very well' or 'you'll be sorry'? What does 'oh, great, the vermin are breeding' mean? Why does an AI civ decide to denounce me when I did nothing to them? Is there a thread you'd recommend that breaks this down?
Vermin are Breeding has to do with that AI hating 2 or more players; of course the human has to be one of them to see it.
One of the major reasons for being denounced is a civ who that AI likes has already denouced you.
Another big reason is that that AI hates you but doesn't have the military (yet) to DOW you.
Those two responses have no effect at all for most responses. The only time it does is if the AI says its been bullying your city state; in which case "very well" causes a -20 influence with the city state in addition to negating the pledge to protect.
This one depends - if they denounce and then go Neutral, its quite likely they are waiting for some units to form up or part of a coalition to wipe you out
They usually have the military in place to steamroll you, but it takes a while to plan that out
That was the last thing Bismarck said my one game. Once he said it, I looked at the relations and denounced him. Every other or close to every other Civ kept commending me and dogpiling the denouncements. Then the world DoWed him and he was history
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