The viking developpement thread

[LAnkou]

whereas celts and Bretagne were two mods i've done for myself, i will give a try on the vikings for people who asked it:

here is my base work

Civ: the vikings

starting techs: hunting, fishing

Leaders: Ragnar Lodbrock (aggressive and expansionnist, favors vassalage)
Erik The Red (aggressive and Spiritual, favors slavery)

UU: Berserker (replace maceman)
Strength 10 (8)
mov 1 (1)
cost 60 (70)
promotion: amphibious

Color: something purple/violet (easier for Superciv)
Signe: a viking Rune

post your suggestions comments

 

[MRM]

I would suggest hunting and fishing as starting techs

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Perhaps the berserker could replace the longbowman instead, like in civ3. It will make the berserker come earlier and make the longbowman inaccessible for the Scandinavians, who from what I know didn't use them to a great extent anyway.

Maybe the berserkers could have a bit higher strength too, to make amphibious assaults a bit more viable. They won't benefit from combined arms as much when assaulting from ships and could be countered pretty easily when having just a minor strength bonus (+1, and minus 10h).

I haven't played the game though so I could be wrong....

edit: Or maybe the berserkers could have the City Raider I, alongside the Amphibious, promotion from start?!

It's Ragnar Lodbrok. Other potential leaders: Erik the Red, Harold Bluetooth Gormson, Canute the Great, Harald Fairhair

 

[CyberChrist]

Might I suggest you name the civ Scandinavians and use the 'Viking' name tag for the UU instead?

 

[bhiita]

I agree with CyberChrist,but I think they should have the longboat and a viking... might try your hand at making the viking able to sack cities ala civ3 barbs... taking some gold but not capturing the city. wonder if that's possible


:edit: or a new only for the viking option when capturing a city.. you'd have "let it burn", "install new govoner" or "leave with loot". The way civ4 handles to cost of capturing cities early on would make this ideal and a very strong civ.

 

[LAnkou]

well, starting tech will be hunting and fishing

for the scandinavian/viking opposed to Viking/Berserker....
well, i saw it as if we say Italian/roman instead of Roman/praetorian

But that's just my feelings

will wait more suggestions before choosing

And for UU, there will be only one, i hesitate between drakkar and berserker. I give some more strengh to berserker, but i prefer to keep the longbowman, in term of gameplay and since i find it wiser. For the graphics, i may use a skinned axeman...

 

[MRM]

No - no civs with two UU unless all civs have two - otherwise that would make the game unbalanced.

I will add only civs with one UU only ( and no mysticism as starting tech )

btw I still prefer viking ( sounds better )

 

[bhiita]

No - no civs with two UU unless all civs have two - otherwise that would make the game unbalanced.

well without the longboat the vikings wouldn't have been... 'the vikings'. maybe have a scandinavian tech that allows galleys to be seaworthy?

just doesn't seem right not to have longboats without the viking, lol. I see you're point though.

 

[MRM]

well without the longboat the vikings wouldn't have been... 'the vikings'. maybe have a scandinavian tech that allows galleys to be seaworthy?

just doesn't seem right not to have longboats without the viking, lol. I see you're point though.

I have nothing against longboats as UU - but it should be longboat OR beserker, not both

 

[Craig_Sutter]

My idea for a longboat... make it so that loaded units get, temporarily, the amphibious promotion. Hope this is doable.

 

[Craig_Sutter]

I don't like slavery for Erik the Red, as a trait... Icelandic vikings had a the Althing... almost democratic in nature.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

....
for the scandinavian/viking opposed to Viking/Berserker....
well, i saw it as if we say Italian/roman instead of Roman/praetorian

But that's just my feelings

will wait more suggestions before choosing
...

Scandinavia consists of more than one nation in contrast to Italy. It could represent the geographical location as well as the culture over a period reaching back long before the nations were founded, so I don't agree with your example. I'm not sure I fully understand the example either, imo there's a difference between having Scandinavian civ with a Viking unit and an Italian civ with a Roman unit.

It doesn't matter all that much to me, but Scandinavian civ > Norse civ > Viking civ.

 

[CyberChrist]

for the scandinavian/viking opposed to Viking/Berserker....
well, i saw it as if we say Italian/roman instead of Roman/praetorian

While the Roman Republic/Empire did really exist under that name there was never any Viking Empire under that name. Also, most Scandinavians (while proud of their Viking history) would much prefer to be identified as Scandinavians - when forced to share the same national tag anyway

 

[MRM]

While the Roman Republic/Empire did really exist under that name there was never any Viking Empire under that name. Also, most Scandinavians (while proud of their Viking history) would much prefer to be identified as Scandinavians - when forced to share the same national tag anyway

I guess there will be a viking AND a scandinavian civ mod anyway - simply because there will be no agreement on this issue ( and renaming is the simpliest part anyway )

 

[Loppan Torkel]

It shouldn't be that difficult, I think one still could talk about such thing as a scandinavian culture/people, with a viking history, just like there's a german people with a history in for example the Holy Roman Empire or the Third Reich, or a russian people in the Soviet era, an English people in Britain, a Turkish people in the Ottoman Empire. Why focus on a single confined era within a atleast somewhat distinctive people's history when this era would be represented and included through the people and it's entire history?

 

[LAnkou]

since this mod will occure two viking leaders, and since scandinavian culture can't be resume by the viking, i propose to keep the viking mod, and besides that, doing a scandinavian mod...
since i don't now much about scandinavian history, i let other people do it (there is a finland mod, just be inspired...), i have enough work for now

back to the viking, would you prefer a berserk or a drakkar?
drakkar will be dependant of the map (pangea map won't be cool), but it's true that the amphibious promotion will make archipelago map better for this unit too...

so berserker or drakkar?

 

[Cybercollector]

I don't want it to come out the wrong way but to make this historically correct. The Drakkar, was the incorrect word used on those boats, since the word is derived from Dragon, thus the head of the boat. If you want the correct term, it's Langskip, http://is.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langskip. You can see that from the "dragon's" mouth.

And that the more generally accepted term for that civilization is the word Norse, to quote wikipedia:

"The name Viking is a borrowed word from the native Scandinavian term for the Norse warriors who raided the coasts of Scandinavia, the British Isles, and other parts of Europe from the late 8th century to the 11th century."

I wish you best on the project, I cannot help you more on this, since this is not my area of expertise. However I can give you one suggestion, that adding Anse L'Anse aux Meadows, the first Norse settlement in North-America, dating from 1000 ad, either as a city or a wonder would be an idea. Here you go for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L_Anse_Aux_Meadows

Best of luck!
-CC

For more information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsemen

 

[Kenric af Grashen]

i would love the vikings or scandinavians i my game because they drink one of the greatest drinks ever made: MEAD

 

[LAnkou]

well there is a viking civ, so let's go playing with it

 

[niffweed17]

gaaaah!

why are we getting ragnar lodbrock??? he had nothing to do with much of viking history!

erik the red is fine, but give me king harald or king cnut.