They got the symbol for Hinduism wrong!

[civilleader]

The swastika is the worst choice, how is the Confuscian symbol? It looked rather cluttered to me, is it correct? I have no clue about Confucian.

 

[rhialto]

The swastika (it has another name in teh religious context which escapes me) is a good symbol for Buddhism. Every buddhist temple in japan has that symbol, and it is used in Japanese maps to mark such temples. Unfortunately, it won't be used because of a certain Mr Schnikelgruber.

Given that the same symbol is also used for Hinduism as well as buddhism, it is best if the game uses it for neither.

I'd suggest the om symbol for hinduism and the dharma wheel for Buddhism.

 

[benjamin28]

The reason why the swastika was used by the nazis is because Hitler thought that the perfect race was the arian, a civ that used to live in the nowadays Hungary and parts of the East Europe. In the ancient times, the arians moved to the Indian territory and conquered the natives, a very advanced civ known as Harappa. The arians used the swastika like the good luck and prosperity symbol. In some houses in the India, there are windows with the swastika form, because it brings "good energy" to the inhabitants.
The should use the Om symbol. Swastika is known now like the nazi symbol, and, although Firaxis could teach us the origin of the symbol... Even some hindus should look it bad!
What about Confucianism's symbol??? I don't identify it.
What a chance! While I was looking a Bahai site, I watched the beautiful column that someone posted here, with the religions symbols. I liked the column.

 

[civilleader]

The Aryan invasion theory is hogwash, it has been proven, the theory was exploited by the british to justify their rule over us, that is it...

 

[North King]

The Aryan invasion theory is hogwash, it has been proven, the theory was exploited by the british to justify their rule over us, that is it...

The Aryans did move into India, such has been proven. However, the Harappan civ probably collapsed centuries beforehand, and it was much more of a migration than an invasion.

 

[Kshatriya]

I agree with civileader, there is absolutely no evidence for an 'Aryan invasion' of Bharat.

First of all, look at the term "Aryan invasion." 'Arya' is a Sanskrit (ancient language of India) word meaning, 'noble person,' or 'follower of Dharma' (righteousness). The word Arya is from the Rig Veda, an ancient Hindu text. It is not even a race. The term "Aryan invasion" is laughable (invasion of righteousness...? lol...)

Even so, if you consider an ancient Caucasion invasion of India, even that has been disproved. Several studies have been conducted, in the US, in Russia, and in India, analyzing the DNA of various peoples of India. The conclusion is the same... the DNA of all Indians, from the lightest Kashmiris to the darkest Sri Lankans, is identical.

A Russian Biologist had told us... that he compared the genetic characteristics of the people of India, with the genetics of the people of Russia, from the South of Russia all the way up to Leningrad. This Russian-Biologists found that the genetics of the people of India, was IDENTICAL to the people of Russia, in every area of Russia.

It's interesting to note: A few years after the Aryan invasion theory came in to existence, the foremost speaker against it was none other than Max Muller, the man who created it!

He denied ever speaking of an Aryan race, saying,

I have declared again and again that if I say Aryas, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language...To me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is a great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar."

This website: http://www.atributetohinduism.com/aryan_invasion_theory.htm, systematically tears apart the Aryan invasion theory, with overwhelming proof against it from historical texts, from DNA, and from the Vedas themselves.

One fact, which I think decisively disproves the theory... in the Ramayana, it is noted that when Raja Ram travelled the length of India, to the island of Sri Lanka, there were peoples there already fighting with war chariots, and to whom Rama refers to as "Arya." Raja Ram is the epitome of Aryan values, and said to be the greatest Aryan king ever on this earth. He referred to the South Indians as Aryans, and to the king of Lanka, as a Brahmin.

Also, the Ramayana war took place 7,000 years ago, around 5,000 BC. This was 3,500 years before the supposed "Aryan invasion." Yet the word Arya is already in use.

 

[Romanfe]

I suppose you think linguistics is just a bunch of pseudo-science too.

 

[North King]

I agree with civileader, there is absolutely no evidence for an 'Aryan invasion' of Bharat.

First of all, look at the term "Aryan invasion." 'Arya' is a Sanskrit (ancient language of India) word meaning, 'noble person,' or 'follower of Dharma' (righteousness). The word Arya is from the Rig Veda, an ancient Hindu text. It is not even a race. The term "Aryan invasion" is laughable (invasion of righteousness...? lol...)

And where did the northern Indian languages come from? Referring to the ones that, from the earliest of times, had very little reference to Dravidian...

Note also that the fact that Arya meaning noble happens in the Persian language. I suppose next you'll be saying that they are genetically identical to the Indians? The reason Aryan means noble in both Indian and Persian is, in almost all certainty, because Aryans happened to dominate both nations enough that their name meant noble, since they were nobles anyway.

Even so, if you consider an ancient Caucasion invasion of India, even that has been disproved. Several studies have been conducted, in the US, in Russia, and in India, analyzing the DNA of various peoples of India. The conclusion is the same... the DNA of all Indians, from the lightest Kashmiris to the darkest Sri Lankans, is identical.

Very, very, very badly misinterpereted evidence. The fact that DNA is identical means that they are very similar peoples, yes, and the skin color difference is probably because of the varying climactic stuff...

But the reason why there is no genetic information involving the Aryans in Indian DNA is not because they never came around--it was because of the nature of it all. An "invasion" or even "migration" of nomads from the Bactrian highlands is not going to be large--at the most a few ten thousands. This is enough to conquer a landscape, but to displace an entire population--no.

Essentially, an Aryan "invasion" would install a ruling caste over the society... But it wouldn't influence their DNA in most any way.

It's interesting to note: A few years after the Aryan invasion theory came in to existence, the foremost speaker against it was none other than Max Muller, the man who created it!

He denied ever speaking of an Aryan race, saying,

Of course there was no Aryan "race", but there was an Aryan people almost for certain, in the area between India and Persia, and they highly influenced both areas...

This website: http://www.atributetohinduism.com/aryan_invasion_theory.htm, systematically tears apart the Aryan invasion theory, with overwhelming proof against it from historical texts, from DNA, and from the Vedas themselves.

Historical texts--they are easily altered, and in any case came into writing centuries after any possible invasion. DNA, like I said above, hardly matters. And the Vedas themselves--they would have been written by Aryans, so making Aryans seem foreign isn't exactly the smartest idea, no?

One fact, which I think decisively disproves the theory... in the Ramayana, it is noted that when Raja Ram travelled the length of India, to the island of Sri Lanka, there were peoples there already fighting with war chariots, and to whom Rama refers to as "Arya." Raja Ram is the epitome of Aryan values, and said to be the greatest Aryan king ever on this earth. He referred to the South Indians as Aryans, and to the king of Lanka, as a Brahmin.

...Which only indicates hinduism had spread through the whole of India by then.

Also, the Ramayana war took place 7,000 years ago, around 5,000 BC. This was 3,500 years before the supposed "Aryan invasion." Yet the word Arya is already in use.

There is NO proof whatsoever that the Ramayana war took place 7000 years ago--and to say it did is indeed preposterous. There weren't even chariots back then, nor iron, nor civilized state societies outside of Mesopotamia, where there were a few grass huts at best (hyperbole, but still).

Indeed, all dates are highly unreliable in any epic story--they usually exaggerate to make it more epic.

 

[rhialto]

In case anyone is wondering, the Aryan race is in fact Persia. In their language, after a few vowel changes accounted for by the thousands of years, that is exactly what they have always called themselves.

 

[Civrules]

Moderator Action: This has nothing to do with the first post. This thread should get back on topic...

 

[Kshatriya]

Could a moderator kindly move this to the history section, so we can continue the discussion?

 

[GenMarshall]

Oh, THAT's not going to cause any controversy.

Agree, I dont wish to see no symboisms related to Nazism in the game of civ.

Back on track, Even in Rhye's Civilization Mod has that (This:

) symbol for the Hindu religion.

 

[civilleader]

is there a way to tell the programmmers that they are wrong?

 

[Chieftess]

is there a way to tell the programmmers that they are wrong?

No, because the programmers don't make the artwork.