Trick to improve wonder effects!!!

[Shia]

Hi to everyone!

working on my mode i've found a little trick to expand the wonder capabilites.

It's a little bit bulky but works well.

In my mod i've substituted SETI PROGRAM with INTERNET.
Originally INTERNET effect had to increase research of all cities of 50% but the rules editor doesn't allow an option like this.

So this is the idea.
STEP 1:I've renamed SETI into INTERNET.I've also
removed the original wonder effect.(after this
the wonder has no effect)
STEP 2:I've added (with craked editor)a new
improvement named INTERNET EFFECT:it increase
city research by 50%.
It requires Internet as prerequisite.(so no
internet=no improvement)
STEP 3:I've returned to Internet and i've added the
effect:add INTERNET EFFECT(improvement) to all
cities.
And IT WORKS:building INTERNET gives to my cities a 50% research boost!!!

 

[Bjorn Bjornson]

thats actually a good idea, making a special improvement only availble with a wonder

i did something along these same lines; new tech i made, "digital media", alowed for 3 buildings: "cyber cafe" (happy/culture improvement), "Internet", and "World Wide Web".

WWW was a great wonder that would put a cyber cafe in all yer cities, and internet was a small wonder (so every civ can build one) that would increase sci in the city, act as a remote capital (since it connects the nation's computers), and increase chance of leaders appearing

 

[danielkulla]

Sorry, but the only way to include the WWW in the game would be to substitute it for Adam Smith's - thus symbolizing the role of webbased companys in privatizing public services. The basic Internet itself would rather work as a subsititute for the SMD - that's what was basically concepted for.

But an increase in research? So far it's just taking our time, I guess.

 

[Astral]

I don't think the internet, just take up our time (well maybe ours. but not in generel) - think of all the companies that uses email, computer networks and so on. It would take days to send, what can be send in seconds over the internet. Speeding up communiction = more works/research can be done faster

 

[Scipio Africanu]

The internet did increase research in a few areas, but not enough in my opinion to improve research. The internet was first developed in the pentegon in 1967 for civilian purposes. Its only pushed foward technology in minor areas which might have a spill over effect into other forms of research. The internet helped us push quicker into Computer technology specifically in increasing packet transfer rates and multi tasking by processors, Fiber optic cables (which to tell you the truth had been under theory and design for over 5 years before the beginning of the real unvieling of the internet), Routers and Telecom switches for data transfer, and a few minor things im sure im forgetting. Its push into research has been basically none in comparison to all the new technologies and others already invented during the tenure of the Internet bubble. What it did mostly was increase communications capabilities at lower costs, Increase marketability and cheap marketability I might add for businesses, and perhaps a little addition of culture because of how wide the world wide web has reached. All in all I think it should help to reduce corruptiuon because of increased communications, add commerce perhaps the same way the stock market does, and add culture to the city its built in. In my opinion it should be a small wonder.

 

[Quokka]

The Internet as we know it grew out of Networks linking firstly Departments at Universities and then linking the Universities themselves. E-mail was developed as a faster way than mail to send results between Campuses so researchers could compare them and make adjustments to similar experiments running in different places. The whole reason the Internet was developed was to speed research. The commercial side came much later with the advent of Pentiums, Windows OS' and Navigators with GUI, before that it was mainly FTP and other similar programs.
The seven top level Domains for the Internet are .com commercial organizations, .org non-profit organizations, .edu educational organizations, .gov government, .mil military, .int international databases or treaties and .net network connectivity services. Initially each of these had specific IP's that were allowed to be used.
Universities were the first major users of the internet and the success and popularity of it there led it its eventual expansion to what we know today. It should definitely speed up research. As for commercial success how many .com's have succeeded and how many failed, even big ones like Amazon.com have never made a profit.
It should be a Small Wonder, it is the World Wide Web and available everywhere after all. Should allow new improvement and get 1 Free Tech(Hackers). No culture or at most 1. For everytime you look up play or movie show time or read an article the culture benefits are erased by 17 XXX pop-up ads, they raise something else but its not culture.
I like the Internet Effect improvement idea. I would call it Fiber Optic Network or Broadband Network or something similar. Have it give 50% research bonus in cities where built. Upgrade from Dial-up to T1, T3 or better. Giving the Internet Effect to every city with the wonder is too powerful I think. Sure just about anywhere can get onto the net but at 28.8kbs who would want to? It would take almost as long to send a 1GB file over 28k as it would to burn it onto disks and then post it.
Great Idea though I'm going to try this out myself.

 

[Scipio Africanu]

What your talking about Quokka is the NSFNET which was a small series of networks for research and educational purpose. This created a movement to help induce wide spread enlargement and use of the internet but the backbone of the internet lies with the U.S. Department of Defense.

Here's an exceprt of a quick summary from a about.com, a reliable source for information.

http://www.learnthenet.com/english/html/01birth.htm

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The Internet has had a relatively brief, but explosive history. It grew out of an experiment begun in the 1960's by the U.S. Department of Defense. The DoD wanted to create a computer network that would continue to function in the event of a disaster, such as a nuclear war. If part of the network were damaged or destroyed, the rest of the system still had to work. That network was ARPANET, which linked U.S. scientific and academic researchers. It was the forerunner of today's Internet.
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It was begun by the U.S. government to help ensure secure delivery of file transfer between government facilities and also continue to operate after a nuclear fallout. If you search for "How the internet began" you can find all types of information.

Go here for a timeline of all the major events that spiked and formed the internet today here....

http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/

 

[Shia]

I wish to make clear my idea

i've used INTERNET only as example.....
My real intention was to build a wonder capable to affect all cities.
And i founded this method....

 

[Quokka]

Shia your idea is good, don't worry we are not knocking it. I just expanded it as I thought I would use it thats all.
Scipio Africanu I think we are saying the same thing here. The part of the Internet that we know and use was derived from the net linking the University campus'. The DoD model is different and none of us get to use it. Thats what I meant about 'as we know it'.
If you wanted to include the DoD part then there's another idea for the Wonder's benefit, make it a Modern Heroic Epic, one that doesn't need a Victorious Army. The military network is huge and superfast and super redundant, giving safe secure communications literally enabling a NET General. It is how the President would stay in control on Airforce One in an emergency.

 

[gsgordon]

Just my two cents as a newbie here.

As someone who works in the biological sciences, I know first-hand that, first the explosion of computing power over the last ten years, and second the interconnection of computers via the internet has allowed the biological sciences to become the news-dominating behemoth (sp?) that is is today.

The Human Genome Project, as an easy example, could not have been accomplished, except over decades or more, without the concurrent evolution of computer technology. It is possible, of course, that something like the HGP could have been accomplished with massive banks of computers at one site, just connected in a local inTRAnet way. However, trust me, the avaiability of this data to ANY reseacher ANYWHERE with a link has allowed thousands of discoveries from individual labs that would have taken many years more if they had been working independently from one another or if data had to be shipped from lab to lab on floppys, Zips, or CDROMS.

I can tell you that nearly every researcher uses the net to perform large amounts of comparative analyses almost EVERY DAY. Whether this is similarly true in the other scientific circles (Chemistry, Physics, etc) I don't know but I'd be surprised if it wasn't the case.

Bottom Line - Computers and the Net have accelerated scientific research to move at an almost exponential rate. The least a CivII/III advance should be for that technology is a Research boost.

Trust me, at work, anyway, we don't just putter away at CNN.com, Adcritic.com (RIP), ESPN, other unmentionables, etc. etc. (OK, sometimes we do So take the research bonus and subtract 1 or something.)

Scott

 

[Quokka]

Another example of the power of the Internet is the SETI@home project. How many thousands of people are now using otherwise wasted cycles to analyse the information. Other projects of this sort are in the works or available already.

 

[Scipio Africanu]

Though the internet may help research platforms to better accomplish their objectives, I don't think that the internet itself produces or inspires this research. We would be comparing apples and oranges if we were to say the expanded communications ability the internet provides in itself produces increased research. Its the ability for real time communication and data transfer that makes it a must for todays scientists that have similier goals, however to increase research is not in my opinion a practical and realistic look at what the internet provides today. What it does provide is increased commerce and communication in which more productive research is a byproduct of these. No one is arguing that it doesn't increase the capabilities of scienticif discovery, however this, as I said before, is a mere byproduct of what the internet actually does. In my opinion, CivIII bases your research off of your commerce produced for research, which is a precentage of your total income as a government. Then have it either raise your commerce rates world wide or reduce corruption so more money is available per city to produce research points. This should create the same effect as the real internet in the fact that its purpose is not to produce research points (such as a Research Lab, University, SETI, etc.), but rather just creates these effects because of its actual purpose.

 

[IceBlaZe]

I think that the ability to send data from one point of the world to the other in 3 seconds is more than enough reasons to add it 50% sci upgrade.
Not to mention the contribution remote-data access and send has done to todays military, and not to mention the computers which are operated by companies who made their big increase when the internet arrived, and those computers drive about every electronic machine today, even the simple coffee machine. Computers was not as strong as it is today before the internet, the internet gave a major boost to scientific development, stock exchange, data contribution, data exchange, data access, remote access, and remotely driven military units.
i think all of that is enough for a 50% sci improvement...
just my 2 euro cents

 

[Scipio Africanu]

Well by running off of the fact that the internet produces data transfer and retrievel as a source for todays technology then the radio should give you a 50% science increase as well. After all it allowed us to increase communication times inbetween military, civilian, and scientific sources and was able to add the ability for instant communication from one land source to an air, land, or sea source. Computers natrually evolved, the internet did not make them faster or better, computer chip designers did that. Usually without the internet as their first concern. After all the computer came before the internet so a comparison as to how computers changed our lives is completly different from what the internet provides us. Most military communications dont occur off of ARPSNET anymore anyways (im tlaking US military since it is the most technologically advanced when it comes to this type of technology), its been redirected to the Milstar satellites put in orbit during 1991-1996. These run a completly different system then what your normal internet provides in way of Data send/retrievel.

 

[MetalChild]

since i'm fairly new to civ3 editing, i wonder if it's possible to simply add a new wonder instead of substituting an existing one?