da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
Although the GOTM sponsored (or borrowed, in the case of the HOF mod) mod might well include various useful features beyond security, as HOF and BUFFY did ...
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TSG1 After Action Report
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Tycalt
Chieftain
Had great fun with my first ever GOTM. Easy win like everybody said and could have been much quicker if I had realized how weak the opponents were nearer the start.
Now onto GOTM2
Now onto GOTM2
SirTurtle
Warlord
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Are you still accepting TS1 games? Anyway, here's mine. Nothing special here, but I may as well post it. I still need to read the other after action reports.
Year 1140 AD
Score 2929
Comments
This was my first playthrough of this map.
Fun map. I loved the snaky Pangaea. Having Germany near the Romans was a nice touch.
No big problems with the no reload rules. I made lots of minor mistakes, but nothing disastrous.
I got a "Peace treaty with Darius I has ended" bug. I don't think this affected the gameplay though.
Here's what is looked liked in the end:
General strategy
Afterthoughts
Year 1140 AD
Score 2929
Comments
This was my first playthrough of this map.
Fun map. I loved the snaky Pangaea. Having Germany near the Romans was a nice touch.
No big problems with the no reload rules. I made lots of minor mistakes, but nothing disastrous.
I got a "Peace treaty with Darius I has ended" bug. I don't think this affected the gameplay though.
Here's what is looked liked in the end:
Spoiler :
General strategy
Spoiler :
Afterthoughts
Spoiler :
Attachments
Htadus
A and L's dad
Fast game done in one day.
750 AD Domination. Only japan had one city left. All others were total kills but messed up with Japan and persia since I could not find them in time. Fast teching game.
750 AD Domination. Only japan had one city left. All others were total kills but messed up with Japan and persia since I could not find them in time. Fast teching game.
Arduano
Chieftain
When will the results be published?
Thanks for your posts. Submissions are now closed, although you are free to continue to discuss the game and your discoveries here.
I've taken notes of all the results and saves and replays posted to date for this game.
By my count we have:
93 result posts.
69 specify a victory/defeat condition
88 specify a final date and/or turn number
72 specify one or more scores of some kind
77 posted either a Civ5Save or a Civ5Replay file
73 posted a Civ5Save file
43 posted a Civ5Replay file
I'll try to determine/verify the victory status and dates for the 77 games where we have saves. I'm not sure yet whether I can recover scores for all the games. I'll then post a table of those results over the weekend.
I've taken notes of all the results and saves and replays posted to date for this game.
By my count we have:
93 result posts.
69 specify a victory/defeat condition
88 specify a final date and/or turn number
72 specify one or more scores of some kind
77 posted either a Civ5Save or a Civ5Replay file
73 posted a Civ5Save file
43 posted a Civ5Replay file
I'll try to determine/verify the victory status and dates for the 77 games where we have saves. I'm not sure yet whether I can recover scores for all the games. I'll then post a table of those results over the weekend.
da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
I'd be happy to post a replay file ... if you have something useful you can do with it
(So ... is it useful to you?)dV
At the moment, replay files seem to be the only ones where I can find the HoF score. Only the base score is stored in the save file (same as Civ4 saves). And the formula for converting base score to final score isn't in the lua scripts.
da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
Ok, I'll send the replay up later tonight. Any chance you have found a way to view them yet?
When you say base score, do you mean the score seen in the diplomacy window? And by final score, do you mean the one the game shows you when it ranks your performance from Quayle to Augustus, or the one in the HOF (which differ by a couple percent). Just trying to get this terminology locked down.
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eldar
ChiefTank
I finished this game yesterday (Central Time... too bad I'm on Eastern Time?!)
I won in 1550AD, with Japan the only remaining Civ with cities at the end. For a 'random' map, it sure as hell felt like a traditional GOTM-style map, what with the double-choke-point.
Early on I crushed Budapest, then Germany, then it was a slow slog to find anyone else to kill. I marched through City States before hitting Monty, Darius, Monty again, China, and finally Japan. Biggest hold-up was losing my 'army' of Archers/Legions trying to take down Tyre. 10-15 turns lost right there waiting for reinforcements to continue the march. By endgame, my Knights and LSwords had higher strength than the cities they were attacking.
Combat sure has a different feel. I like this: no more SODs mean that, with an army of 6-8 units, you can take down a city if properly used. Combat feels more like Advance Wars and in particular (for the real oldies) Battle Isle now.
I don't like the non-combat stacking rules. Maybe allow the following:
- Allow as many non-coms stacked on a tile as you like.
- Only allow 1 worker to be doing something on that tile.
Also a-la Advance Wars etc., how about allowing injured units of the same type to merge into one healthier unit?
Not impressed with load times either and admittedly whilst my CPU is actually below minimum spec, I shouldn't be experiencing load times of 3-4 minutes on a small map. Or any size map for that matter.
I've attached both final save and replay, even though they won't count.
I won in 1550AD, with Japan the only remaining Civ with cities at the end. For a 'random' map, it sure as hell felt like a traditional GOTM-style map, what with the double-choke-point.
Early on I crushed Budapest, then Germany, then it was a slow slog to find anyone else to kill. I marched through City States before hitting Monty, Darius, Monty again, China, and finally Japan. Biggest hold-up was losing my 'army' of Archers/Legions trying to take down Tyre. 10-15 turns lost right there waiting for reinforcements to continue the march. By endgame, my Knights and LSwords had higher strength than the cities they were attacking.
Combat sure has a different feel. I like this: no more SODs mean that, with an army of 6-8 units, you can take down a city if properly used. Combat feels more like Advance Wars and in particular (for the real oldies) Battle Isle now.
I don't like the non-combat stacking rules. Maybe allow the following:
- Allow as many non-coms stacked on a tile as you like.
- Only allow 1 worker to be doing something on that tile.
Also a-la Advance Wars etc., how about allowing injured units of the same type to merge into one healthier unit?
Not impressed with load times either and admittedly whilst my CPU is actually below minimum spec, I shouldn't be experiencing load times of 3-4 minutes on a small map. Or any size map for that matter.
I've attached both final save and replay, even though they won't count.
MinutiaRules
Warlord
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The one thing that stands out the most is that the AI and CSes built very few if any roads. Not sure if this is because of the level or just a preference. You could say that it slows down an aggressor but it also messes up a defensive attempt.
As far as I can tell:
- The diplo window shows you a Base Score. If you hover over it you can see that it is built up from your cities, pop, land, wonders, tech and future tech components. I don't know how the numbers are derived from your raw demographics. I can recover that Base Score from a Civ5Save or from a Civ5Replay file.
- In your Hall of Fame window you will see your Final Score for the game. This is recorded in the Civ5Replay file, but not in the Civ5Save file. I expect it is calculated from the Base Score components, plus a bonus factor relating to your finish date and perhaps game parameters such as map size, difficulty, speed ....
- When you see the Dan Quayle window, you and your opponents get a "Ranking" number. It isn't called a 'score' as far as I recall. In my game it was about 3% higher than the HoF score. There are some entries in one of the XML files that may be used to calculate it, but I don't think it is used for anything other than this window. I have not been able to find it stored in the save or replay files. Unless someone tells me I'm wrong, I am going to ignore it for competition purposes.
Apart from the arrival of the Dan Quayle "Ranking" number, this all looks very similar to the Civ4 scoring system, except that the Final Score formula was visible in the Python/XML in Civ4, but it seems to be hidden away in the DLL in Civ5. And we don't have the DLL code yet, of course.
If we define a score-related awards and ranking system, then it will probably be based on the HoF Final Score, but I will need to discover how to calculate it from data in the Save file. I want to avoid asking for replay files to be submitted along with final saves if and when we hit full competition mode.
Don't blame time zones - I left it until after 7 October ended at the far western reaches of the time zone system!
Hey, this is a 'friendly'. None of the entries 'count'. I'll add your data to the mix.
AgedOne
Emperor
Well, this is the first Civ V game that I have finished which was not on a duel-sized map.
It turned into a very rough and ready domination rampage, if rampage is the word for something that dragged on as slowly as this!
If I had any thoughts of other victory types (and I did spend a long time considering a diplomatic victory) they all fell by the wayside as I found just how easy warfare is in Civ V - on warlord level, and possibly higher levels by all accounts.
I took out Germany first, then Japan. These with legions and archers.
Disposed of Montezuma, having interrupted a war with Darius to do so. I then resumed hostilities and finished off Darius. By this stage I had some muskets but basically knights and longswords.
Since China was the only civ left alive at this point and I was such a long way from being able to build the UN, I upgraded as many as possible to the newly available rifles and finished them off too. Such mindless violence! Tsuch!
I am assuming that a lot has to do with the difficulty level. I scarcely had to deal with any economic or unhappiness problems, and the AI military was a complete pushover. By the end I had about 25 land units - ranging from longswords to rifles - and this was way more than enough to take out anything. Also, I had got a comfortable tech lead that allowed me to fight with rifles against archers and the like.
But it all looked beautiful
Final save: View attachment AgedOne TS1-T240.Civ5Save
Replay: View attachment Augustus Caesar_0240 AD-1650_1.Civ5Replay
PS. I realise that I'm too late. It was only a 'friendly' tho
It turned into a very rough and ready domination rampage, if rampage is the word for something that dragged on as slowly as this!
If I had any thoughts of other victory types (and I did spend a long time considering a diplomatic victory) they all fell by the wayside as I found just how easy warfare is in Civ V - on warlord level, and possibly higher levels by all accounts.
I took out Germany first, then Japan. These with legions and archers.
Disposed of Montezuma, having interrupted a war with Darius to do so. I then resumed hostilities and finished off Darius. By this stage I had some muskets but basically knights and longswords.
Since China was the only civ left alive at this point and I was such a long way from being able to build the UN, I upgraded as many as possible to the newly available rifles and finished them off too. Such mindless violence! Tsuch!
I am assuming that a lot has to do with the difficulty level. I scarcely had to deal with any economic or unhappiness problems, and the AI military was a complete pushover. By the end I had about 25 land units - ranging from longswords to rifles - and this was way more than enough to take out anything. Also, I had got a comfortable tech lead that allowed me to fight with rifles against archers and the like.
But it all looked beautiful
Final save: View attachment AgedOne TS1-T240.Civ5Save
Replay: View attachment Augustus Caesar_0240 AD-1650_1.Civ5Replay
PS. I realise that I'm too late. It was only a 'friendly' tho
I lied. I can't see the Base Score in the Replay file. I can see the Base Score for one turn before victory - the last turn included in the Histogram data that is stored in that file, but I can't see a way to get to the end-of-game Base Score. It only seems to exist in the Civ5Save.
Pretty normal domination victory. Stalled a little bit after Japan, mostly because I hadn't done enough exploring early on. Still getting used to new geography -- particularly the hex shape and the naval 'embarkment' not requiring transport units. Also reaaaaaalllly uncertain how to calculate cost-benefit of Annexing v. Puppeting v. Razing.
JungleIII
Master
I know... too late to count, even though we aren't counting anyway...
Victory 760A.D., T-148, HOF Score 3241
Got my game 10 days after U.S. and had to do one practice game first... so after China, this was my second game. Onto the 2nd round. Maybe I can get that done in time.
I feel sorry for the complainers... this is a fun game
Victory 760A.D., T-148, HOF Score 3241
Got my game 10 days after U.S. and had to do one practice game first... so after China, this was my second game. Onto the 2nd round. Maybe I can get that done in time.
I feel sorry for the complainers... this is a fun game
da_Vinci
Gypsy Prince
Here is my replay file ... it's a bit odd, the numbering. I reloaded a turn before victory save a few times to figure out the various scores, but this replay is only 2 minutes after my save, so how it is # 4 eludes me.
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Grifftavian
Emperor
Sorry this is a little late, too many RL issues lately. Hope you can still use them.
Attached are the final save and replay for the TS1 game.
Stayed pretty close to my plan, which was to stay on good terms with Militaristic city states (in my case, Budapest & Tyre). I bee-lined Iron Working and Math early, in order to build Legions and Ballistas, then more or less concentrated on Military techs and techs which improved the economy. Concentrated all social policies on completion Honor, and also took Patronage to help out with the City-State relations.
The Persian Capitol was the next to last to fall. It was a little difficult to take due to its position and the fact that Darius had built The Great Wall. The Chinese Capitol went down last, mainly due to the distance from the starting location.
I didn't find the combat to be too difficult in this game, maybe because this was a Warlord game.
This was an enjoyable game, and a nice start for the Civ 5 GOTM. Thanks for the game, and looking forward to TS2!.
Attached are the final save and replay for the TS1 game.
Stayed pretty close to my plan, which was to stay on good terms with Militaristic city states (in my case, Budapest & Tyre). I bee-lined Iron Working and Math early, in order to build Legions and Ballistas, then more or less concentrated on Military techs and techs which improved the economy. Concentrated all social policies on completion Honor, and also took Patronage to help out with the City-State relations.
The Persian Capitol was the next to last to fall. It was a little difficult to take due to its position and the fact that Darius had built The Great Wall. The Chinese Capitol went down last, mainly due to the distance from the starting location.
I didn't find the combat to be too difficult in this game, maybe because this was a Warlord game.
This was an enjoyable game, and a nice start for the Civ 5 GOTM. Thanks for the game, and looking forward to TS2!.
