tupaclives
Tupac Lives on!!
I'm in the middle of assignments at the moment, so I'll need a skip this round 
Tupac08 - Simply Sid
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To clarify, Korea and China are still at war, China also is still at war with the Portuguese, unlike Korea.
We're strong compared to both America and Korea, weak compared to the others, so we're definitely not bottom of the barrel.
On the defensive China seems weak. They lack iron for their riders, so their best units are longbowmen coupled with spearmen right now. They must have a ton of them though, considering what they did to the Mongols. They also seem to lack saltpetre or they would have had musketmen by now.
If they finish the Koreans, they'll have iron at the very least though. And considering the Koreans are already weak compared to us, we should probably expect riders.
I've had a chance to look at the game, but didn't get to play last night. It'll be this afternoon or tonight.
If we are worried about China taking iron from the Koreans, perhaps we should move on Korea instead, and try to get their iron instead of letting China have it. We have 13 turns on a deal with Korea, but it is them paying us, so we could break it any time we liked.
I'll work on the Mongol situation and see how things go.
If we are worried about China taking iron from the Koreans, perhaps we should move on Korea instead, and try to get their iron instead of letting China have it. We have 13 turns on a deal with Korea, but it is them paying us, so we could break it any time we liked.
I'll work on the Mongol situation and see how things go.
We aren't going to be able to make progress in the south until we get an army down there - lots of fortified muskets in a city would require the deaths of a lot of knights otherwise, and we can't afford to throw them away, especially since China isn't holding the north for us anymore. I had a brief moment of panic during the attack at Mandalgovi, when the knight army redlined, thinking I'd just blown things. (It started with 9 hp, against a 3 hp musket, so it hadn't seemed that risky.)
Right now, we need the knight army up north to both take out keshiks and to cover our knights, as attacking is much better than defending with keshiks. The MDI army must stay on the land bridge or the keshiks will come in that way, with much better access to us.
If we can get another army fairly soon, I think we'll be able to take out the southern Mongol cities we discussed and then make peace. I had 10 elite victories; I expect we'll have a lot more in the next bit, so another leader soon is pretty likely.
It would be helpful to build the FP and Heroic Epic, but I didn't feel comfortable taking productive cities off of unit building.
Right now, we need the knight army up north to both take out keshiks and to cover our knights, as attacking is much better than defending with keshiks. The MDI army must stay on the land bridge or the keshiks will come in that way, with much better access to us.
If we can get another army fairly soon, I think we'll be able to take out the southern Mongol cities we discussed and then make peace. I had 10 elite victories; I expect we'll have a lot more in the next bit, so another leader soon is pretty likely.
It would be helpful to build the FP and Heroic Epic, but I didn't feel comfortable taking productive cities off of unit building.
The forests and river east of Eindhoven isn't making a stable front against the Mongols any easier. Perhaps with our GA at an end we need to cash rush knights as much as we can.
And keep our fingers crossed that we get a third army.
And keep our fingers crossed that we get a third army.
The river and forests don't help, but they do at least belong to us now instead of the Mongols, and there is a road up via Mandalgovi. If we can get the current keshik rush under control we can get some workers in there, but, of course, the need will be less then.
I started short rushing knights in less productive cities once the keshiks showed up in the north, but we have quite a bit of cash and could use some for more extensive rushing.
Also, a reminder: We are now at war with Korea, though they have no units in the area and are pretty weak. Just don't ignore them if some units wander into view.
del62
Deity
I will try and have a look at the save tomorrow and post my thoughts.
Edit : had a quick look tonight
Edit : had a quick look tonight
del62
Deity
Had a quick look at save, we can make peace with Korea and they will give 8gpt and some gold, I suggest we do, that would open up trade options with chinese.
We could also make alliance with Portugal against Americans, allowing a luxury for luxury trade and gaining small amount of gold, not sure on this.
We could also make alliance with Portugal against Americans, allowing a luxury for luxury trade and gaining small amount of gold, not sure on this.
del62
Deity
A serious question is how long do we pursue our war with the mongols, is it worth making peace for now, and returning against them in the future.
I think if we make peace, our next real push will come when we have cavalry. I fear leaving Erdenet to the Mongols will come to bite us in the rear.
On the other hand, if we make peace, the Mongols will focus on the Chinese. But I don't think that war will last long enough for us to attack the Mongols a second time when most their military is at the other end of the continent.
I'd like to continue the war with the Mongols a little while longer, in hopes that we can get another leader. If we can get a third army, we can take out Erdenet and Dalandzadgad. This will leave us in a much better position. We could also move against these with a lot of trebs. With thirty or so we could probably redline the muskets.
tupaclives
Tupac Lives on!!
I think push on for a little while. I've found from a few of my SP Sid games I've been playing lately that its best to push on as long as you can maintain it. As soon as we back off their ability to replenish their losses will dwarf ours.
del62
Deity
Right I have played up to 150AD and Thought I would check in before I finish set
I have destroyed Edernet, we have gained education and due to a computer crash lost my notes
Briefly we have replaced Magdovi with our own town, had about 25-5 in victories against mongols and are at peace with korea, I have included attachment for you to look at.
The question is that do we make peace with the Mongols now, they will give Ulsan for peace.
Then we can prepare for potential short war with China.
Couple of images
No Armay was used against Edernet just trebs, MI and Knights.
I have destroyed Edernet, we have gained education and due to a computer crash lost my notes
Briefly we have replaced Magdovi with our own town, had about 25-5 in victories against mongols and are at peace with korea, I have included attachment for you to look at.
The question is that do we make peace with the Mongols now, they will give Ulsan for peace.
Then we can prepare for potential short war with China.
Couple of images
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No Armay was used against Edernet just trebs, MI and Knights.
Looks great. I actually kind of liked your suggestion to put a town 2 NW of Dalandzadgad after destroying it. I imagine there will be more musket men there than in Erdenet, but if you feel the group that razed Erdenet can do it. And remember the MID army can also help, and it will be the last move in our war with the Mongols.
If we get Ulsan we should probably starve it down quick or abandon it after settling a town SW of Ulsan. Not exactly sure where, probably 2 SW of Ulsan.
What will our objectives be in a Chinese war? We want Choybalsan, for that we need to make sure we have troops ready when we make peace with the Mongols, otherwise they might just snatch it from under our noses while we're stuck to 20 turns of peace.
And perhaps now is a good time to start discussion about the FP placement. We could build it in Eindhoven, or in a to be founded city on the plains tile, 3 NE of Utrecht. I feel Delft or Middelburg wouldn't be as good due to all the surrounding towns being coastal.
Also, we can buy furs from the Portuguese, we should probably take the deal before another civ snatches it.
del62
Deity
if we get ulsan in a peace treaty, mongol civillians become ours, the real question is do we need dalzagbad as there is no culture pressure from mongols, and we dont have to worry about ww.
There were 4 muskets and longbow in Edernet.
I had in my notes that Portugal are building smiths, shakes and have built Magellans, meaning they are up a lot of techs against everybody else.
Our objectives against China would be Choblansk and maybe Chinan.
We may have to strike quick or they could lose them to mongols.
There were 4 muskets and longbow in Edernet.
I had in my notes that Portugal are building smiths, shakes and have built Magellans, meaning they are up a lot of techs against everybody else.
Our objectives against China would be Choblansk and maybe Chinan.
We may have to strike quick or they could lose them to mongols.
And they're only a few turns away from eliminating the Americans it seems. We might need to play a little bit of Machiavelli at some point, to make sure they don't conquer the Incans as well. Not a whole lot we can do on the other continent apart from inciting wars.
I think I'm finally starting to grasp the whole foreign to domestic citizens conversion now.
On the lack of cultural pressure from Dalandzadgad, I think they lack a third cultural expansion to compete for our tiles. If Dalandzadgad has that cultural expansion, flip risk will probably grow. I doubt that would cause problems during our period of forced peace with them though. So I don't mind forgoing on Dalandzadgad.
Just for the record though, destroying that city would spare us the annoyance of having to check how it's spelled again every time we need to write about it.
del62
Deity
OK set finished made peace with Mongols and we are now at war with China
Incan Embassy
We can do a luxury deal with inca lux for ivory and 8gpt
We can take 5 turns against chinese and make peace or push on, I have a settler on its way towards Chinan to settler replace
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Incan Embassy
Spoiler :
We can do a luxury deal with inca lux for ivory and 8gpt
We can take 5 turns against chinese and make peace or push on, I have a settler on its way towards Chinan to settler replace
