Turn 74 - 1175BC
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akots
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Just to make sure all citizens understand that we are in rather bad shape, I'm posting the F1 advisor screen. Brief analysis reveals that we are somewhat behind for a few reasons:
1) We don't have food bonus near our capital city.
2) Only few of our cities are on the river and we are still in Despotism.
3) We have few workers and some tiles are not yet improved.
4) We are building a wonder in one of the most productive cities which could be used to build settlers and workers instead.
5) IMvHO, we were not increasing the luxury rate early in the game which is a standard trick to enhance growth and accelerate early expansion.
6) Some micromanagement issues have certainly contributed to this.
The question is:
How to cope with this retardation?
The answer is:
There is no way. Damage to growth is irreversible.
Another question:
What to do now?
Answers:
1) Try to minimize the retardation so that it does not increase exponentially over time.
2) Wage aggressive wars as early as possible to cripple the opponents but make sure we can win these wars.
3) Acquire more strategic resources.
4) Acquire more luxuries.
In this setup, it would be certainly beneficial to revolt not to Monarchy which would turn our country in forever backwards people but may be to Republic. However, we don't have this knowledge.
1) We don't have food bonus near our capital city.
2) Only few of our cities are on the river and we are still in Despotism.
3) We have few workers and some tiles are not yet improved.
4) We are building a wonder in one of the most productive cities which could be used to build settlers and workers instead.
5) IMvHO, we were not increasing the luxury rate early in the game which is a standard trick to enhance growth and accelerate early expansion.
6) Some micromanagement issues have certainly contributed to this.
The question is:
How to cope with this retardation?
The answer is:
There is no way. Damage to growth is irreversible.
Another question:
What to do now?
Answers:
1) Try to minimize the retardation so that it does not increase exponentially over time.
2) Wage aggressive wars as early as possible to cripple the opponents but make sure we can win these wars.
3) Acquire more strategic resources.
4) Acquire more luxuries.
In this setup, it would be certainly beneficial to revolt not to Monarchy which would turn our country in forever backwards people but may be to Republic. However, we don't have this knowledge.
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Map Making will be ready next turn. Question: Is it possible according to the rules of the game to press "What is the big picture" button, go to F1 screen and switch Rytty to galley from the temple prebuild? Or this is prohibited? If it is allowed we are OK, if not, then we should build harbor in Rytty IMO. Otherwise, we would be losing too many shields.
Another issue is tech trade. Do we send Map Making to C3B the very same turn or only on the next turn?
Actually, I find their research on Monarchy somewhat expensive and useless. They would have better research Philosophy and then one of us could have gone for Republic whereas another would have continued to research other techs required to advance to another age. But C3B has been rather stubborn on these issues. Not that much can be done about it.
Another issue is tech trade. Do we send Map Making to C3B the very same turn or only on the next turn?
Actually, I find their research on Monarchy somewhat expensive and useless. They would have better research Philosophy and then one of us could have gone for Republic whereas another would have continued to research other techs required to advance to another age. But C3B has been rather stubborn on these issues. Not that much can be done about it.
Ankka
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I say you are doing very well, akots, and with your skills those points in the first post may be reached.
I think we shouldn't go for the suicidal North with the curragh now, I think the most southern route would be good.
I'm not sure about the switching production thing... could someone check the UN for that please?
I think we shouldn't go for the suicidal North with the curragh now, I think the most southern route would be good.
I'm not sure about the switching production thing... could someone check the UN for that please?
What I absolutely most want to know is: "How much land does C3B" have ? That means: follow the arrow over the fish.
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Aptenodytes forsteri
I agree with Rik. Follow the fish. Also, I dont see anything wrong with the temple switch. What are we getting for Map Making? If we agree to the treaty, we get to use the island, right? And can I get a city named after me?
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What would the city be named? Mac-o-polis? SaaMcity?
We have no treaty on the island, C3B doesn't necessarily even know about it.
How soon will we have a worker ready to launch to the island? If we don't have one, I suggest we send a lone JT there then to demolish any barbie huts that mihgt be there, and send the settler when it's ready.
That of course depends on our JT's position etc... could you please provide a screenie of the mainland Fanatica every turn, akots, even if nothing happens, that would still help.
We have no treaty on the island, C3B doesn't necessarily even know about it.
How soon will we have a worker ready to launch to the island? If we don't have one, I suggest we send a lone JT there then to demolish any barbie huts that mihgt be there, and send the settler when it's ready.
That of course depends on our JT's position etc... could you please provide a screenie of the mainland Fanatica every turn, akots, even if nothing happens, that would still help.
Curragh: west & southwest. I do like to know the shape & size of C3B.
Stuck_as_a_Mac
Aptenodytes forsteri
Ankka said:What would the city be named? Mac-o-polis? SaaMcity?
We have no treaty on the island, C3B doesn't necessarily even know about it.
How soon will we have a worker ready to launch to the island? If we don't have one, I suggest we send a lone JT there then to demolish any barbie huts that mihgt be there, and send the settler when it's ready.
That of course depends on our JT's position etc... could you please provide a screenie of the mainland Fanatica every turn, akots, even if nothing happens, that would still help.
SaaMtopia would suffice
magnusmarcus
Prince
Ankka said:.....could you please provide a screenie of the mainland Fanatica every turn, akots, even if nothing happens, that would still help.
I agree.... Its much easier to keep aware of what is happening with a screenie everyturn.....
About our growth problem:
Another reason would be that we didn't build a granary and didn't let the cities grow fast enough.
And it's too late to start second guessing about the government type. Republic is too far away and we'd stay in despotism for far too long.
Another reason would be that we didn't build a granary and didn't let the cities grow fast enough.
And it's too late to start second guessing about the government type. Republic is too far away and we'd stay in despotism for far too long.
akots
Poet
OK, but we still have to poll the revolution apparently. If we revolt, it must be done immediately after we receive Monarchy from C3B unless SoZ is not ready yet. And also we need a barracks in TF. Can whip it partially (one citizen) before going to Anarchy since the city would starve anyhow. It is too big and we have only a single luxury.
RegentMan
Deity
I'd like to pause north of the city next turn, then go north. Perhaps that could lead to another island? But it's probably connected to the continent, so go ahead and sail west then southwest.
Thanks a lot for that shot, akots. Until we know the shape of the land no border can be set yet. C3B doesn't seem to understand this however...akots said:
Emp.Napoleon
SUPER EMP!
Ankka said:
What about our hard working ambassidor?
Maybe EmperorCity, EMP, EMP's Palace, EMP for Minister of Internal Affairs, Napoleonopolis
C3B probaly deos not know about it, but if they find it they will want us to have less land in the border. But if they were to want to claim it and share it, I would like to go to war
RegentMan
Deity
Are we going to name cities here now, or are we going to discuss the game? There's always a chance to discuss cities in the City Name Proposal Thread.
Donovan Zoi
The Return
akots said:
Don't do it, akots.
Here's the pertinent rule of the game(courtesy of the UN).
magnusmarcus
Prince
RegentMan said:Thanks a lot for that shot, akots. Until we know the shape of the land no border can be set yet. C3B doesn't seem to understand this however...
Perhaps c3b understands this very well. Perhaps they have huge tracts of land and want to push a border before our little boats discover any more. Hence the rush as our boats draw closer to there homeland.
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