Uknes2

[AnarchyRulz]

France, you are deemed worthy to finally meet the great and mighty PM.

 

[The Troquelet]

I await eagerly his coming.

 

[uknemesis]

ORDERS NOT RECEIVED:/

No orders were received from Poto(Austria) and so I moved for him(but because the borders were okay in my opinion, I actually just stored the credits).

DISBANDMENTS
Perhaps in a show of friendship towards Europe's foremost seapower, Britain, France has disbanded her only fleet, the one in Sea H(the one I forgot to put on the map lol).

COMBAT REPORTS

Province 64(Swedish)

2 Russian armies attacked across the border against one defending Swedish army and the Province Militia. Both Russian armies failed to make an impact, while the Swedes destroyed one Russian army. The other fled back across the border.

Losses: 1 Russian army

Sea E
A bold attempt to attack the Prussian capital with 4 armies by the Swedes was foiled by an Anglo-Prussian effort. Both the British and Prussian fleets scored hits on the Swedish, with the British eventually sacrificing themselves to save the Prussian fleet which had armies aboard.

All 4 Swedish armies went down with their ships.

Losses: 1 Swedish fleet, 4 Swedish armies, 1 British fleet.

Sea K

A brave attack by the small Libyan nation upon the powerful Italians paid off.

2 Italian and 2 Libyan fleets, all but one(an Italian fleet) having armies aboard.

Both Italian fleets were sunk, and one Libyan fleet. One of the Italian fleets had 4 armies aboard, and the Libyan fleet had one army aboard. The 4 armies on the remaining Libyan fleet went on to attack Rome.

Losses: 2 Italian fleets, 4 Italian armies, 1 Libyan fleet, 1 Libyan army.

Province 29(Italian capital)

Four Libyan armies landed to take on 2 Italian armies and the Capital Militia.

The Italians were quickly routed, but inflicted serious damage(50%) upon an enemy which outnumbered them.

Rome has fallen, will this bring Italy to the negotiating table?

Losses: 2 Italian armies, 2 Libyan armies.

UPDATED MAP

CREDITS FOR THE NEXT TURN (Already has upkeep deducted)

Russia has 14 credits to spend!

Britain has 12 credits to spend!

Turkey has 14 credits to spend!

Italy has 10 credits to spend!

Sweden has 12 credits to spend!

Prussia has 31 credits to spend!

Spain has 15 credits to spend!

Austria has 30 credits to spend!

France has 10 credits to spend!

Libya has 13 credits to spend!

Good luck everyone!

Nemesis

 

[The Troquelet]

UKNemesis, I have a question. Maybe I'm missing out on the math part of it a bit, but nobody has been building factories. Is this because they are too expensive? At 25 Gold and a 2-Gold increase in income, they take 13 turns to break even. We've only played four turns so far! Could you lower the price a bit so as to make them more appealing, because I'm sure it would have more interest to the game (like suddenly some provinces are more valuable to protect/attack, or if you build one on the border they think you're going to attack them etc,...)

I think you should be able to buy one with just 5 gold! They pay off in 3 turns. Now remember that in 3 turns, we went from a peaceful Europe to a quarrel over Denmark to the whole world joining in to the conquest of Sweden and Italy. So a lot can happen in 3 turns!

 

[uknemesis]

Hmm... I have an idea lol.

MAJOR RULE CHANGE

You can buy a production centre for 25 credits, which allows you to build armies and fleets in that province, and increases the value of that province to 5 credits per turn. These are shown by a black circle with white inside(like your capital).

You can buy a barracks for 15 credits, that can only build armies, and increases the value of that province to 5 credits per turn. These are shown by a black square with white inside.

You can buy a dockyard for 10 credits, that can only build fleets, and increases the value of that province to 5 credits per turn. These are shown by a white circle with black inside.

You can buy a town hall for 5 credits that increases the value of that province to 5 credits per turn. These are shown by a white square with black inside.

You cannot upgrade from one to the other, if you want to change the type of building, you must pull down the other one and build a new one there.

EACH PROVINCE CAN ONLY HOLD ONE TYPE OF BUILDING.

Nemesis

 

[.:KNAS:.]

[rant] Time to show Frances true color...

The Troquelet wrote on Jun 30, 2002 07:34 PM:
From Napoleon

Yes, I am planning war with Britain, but keep it quiet! Please don't try to make me publically join your side anymore. I have no interest in Denmark, so why don't you attack that, and I'll take Ireland. Then we can deal with England.

Again, secrecy is a MUST. Shh!

- Napoleon your ally in secret.

PS - feel free to forward this to Italy if you want. I don't see how Italy can aid our conflict yet, but I want to gain his friendship.

and:

The Troquelet wrote on Jun 30, 2002 08:00 PM:


KNAS! Next turn I am sending 8 armies by convoy to London! Do NOT attack London, I'm attacking London! UKnem will think we are fighting each other! Change your orders!

Sorry, I'm really worried. :worried:

Italy's 2 armies cannot possibly help the war. Look at it from a common sense viewpoint.

If you attack Denmark now, even with a token force that is BOUND to fail say 2 armies, England will send more armies to Denmark. Then, while his armies are funneling east you can attack out of the North Sea and seize Scotland and Iceland, and I can take London from the Channel.

It makes MUCH more sense to attack Denmark now! It means Britain is unprepared for our joint attacks on his homeland.

I STRONGLY URGE you to change your orders. Please! I don't want this war to fail, and trust me, if you attack London it will fail.

For the moment, I AM attacking London and I will takes Wales as well if I have the strength left.

PLEASE! HURRY! And tell Italy to change his orders as well!

- Napoleon

and finaly:

The Troquelet wrote on Jul 01, 2002 03:21 AM:
If Spain remembers his MPP, Italy and I will take the oppurtunity to conquer him.

A much larger threat is Turkey. After we remove some nearby enemies we MUST think what to do with him. He is much too large to be trusted, but maybe we can keep him at peace for a while.

I am worried as well about Austria. Austria was stupid enough to let Turkey have Serbia and Albania without a shot, and Austria lies directly in the path of Turkey's expansion.

Also, what are all those Italian armies doing in Switzerland? Hopefully not attacking me? I tell you I will respond very crabbily to a double-cross.

Besides, Italy should be wary of the Austrian armies nearby. Warn him. All the eastern countries are not to be trusted - they're up against a wall and will do anything to expand...

Wishing you luck in Denmark,

Napoleon

(forward to Italy as well)

Should we perhaps get another member to the alliance?

Now, sum up nations who have broken pacts with me: Russia (NAP), France (Secret Alliance, but it has not yet been broken, since he has not attacked Me or Italy... yet) I can see very clearly how Sweden is an agressive militaristic regime...[/rant]

 

[The Troquelet]

You're brilliant, UK! (I had an idea in my own NES I'm plotting that you could upgrade a province from a town to a city to a metro each with a different level of income but this is MUCH better! )

Anyway, you said I had 10 gold left over, right? So I don't want to bank it, I'll build 1 Town Hall each in 13 and 8. (It costs nothing to tear one down, right? You just have to pay for the new one?)

 

[uknemesis]

If Poto doesn't get orders in this turn or the next, he's outta the game and the first player to be destroyed can take Austria.

After that, or if Poto returns, then players destroyed can come back in revolutions or invaders. I will PM you when you are defeated giving you a purpose.

The first will most likely be an invasion rather than independence.

Nemesis

 

[uknemesis]

It costs nothing to tear stuff down(you could even rip down your capital if you wanted(and if you're dumb )).

Also, is Sweden telling the truth? Has he revealed Napoleon's true colours? Or is he lying, and France have honest reasons at heart?

Only time will tell!

Nemesis

 

[The Troquelet]

OH, that's cute Sweden? Just can't lose a war honorably can you?

Actually, I'll be honest with all of you! They aren't forged. I DID write these letters to Sweden.

Here were my war plans: I would pretend to remain neutral, in the meantime, I would move my armies to Picardie (8). I would tell Sweden this was a plot against Britain, and this would make him keep his paws off London (as you saw, I told him mainland Britain would be mine, so he stayed away from it). Then next turn 2 pair of fleets would take my armies to Sweden, thereby double-crossing him. He would have sent all his armies to Denmark as I advised him, I would reveal to Britain how I had saved his neck from a Swedish naval invasion (which, as you saw WAS part of Sweden's plans before I stopped it). Then I would join the Alliance, with the extra advantage of having taken some territory without asking anyone's permission.

Then, 2 things happened: Sweden reminded me by accident that he was allied with Italy, and I realized I was leaving my back door open to an Italian attack when I crossed Sweden. Then also, I realized how hard it would be to hold onto Sweden when Britain and Prussia both want it (and you saw yourself how much we've bickered, it was probably a good idea for me not go North).

So, still pretending to be Sweden's ally, I changed my plans to move my armies south. Next turn when Sweden could no longer be in doubt of my intentions, I declared war on him and Italy and offered to join the Alliance.

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Anyway, that's the history of my nation so far. And yes, as you can see, Sweden, I double-crossed you. That's diplomacy. You can't trust anyone. I didn't trust you for instance - you never offered me MPP, which would have made both of us more reluctant to attack each other, which gave me a suspicion you were going to double-cross ME anyway!

 

[.:KNAS:.]

Originally posted by The Troquelet
OH, that's cute Sweden? Just can't lose a war honorably can you?

I sure as hell cant

and BTW, im not loosing....

 

[The Troquelet]

Alliance members, by the way, know that even when I was pretending to be Sweden's ally I had joined the Alliance (this is on the turn I had 8 armies in Picardie). We discussed a huge naval convoy of that army to Sweden's capital, 69, but it fell apart when Britain and Prussia never responded. Also by that time I felt the Italian threat was too great to be ignored: also, my staunchest allies were now in the Mediterranean (Spain and Libya) and I felt that splitting Italy with them would be safer since I had MPPs with them (unlike Britain, Prussia, and Russia) and also the territory was closer to home.

So, yes, I'm a scoundrel at heart (this is the country that produced Talleyrand!) but the only thing I've done is D-C Sweden.

 

[.:KNAS:.]

but it has only been a few turns yet...

 

[The Troquelet]

"I'm not losing...."

Anything but your mind? Don't worry KNAS, you have 2 turns at most after a Prussian/Russian invasion, and your ally Italy will have only 1 territory next turn.

[OOC]Sorry we had to pick on you, man. But I think UKnem will bring you back somehow so no worries! Also, I enjoyed trying out that ploy on you even if you didn't Have you ever played Diplomacy?

 

[uknemesis]

I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that right of passage agreements that are used to put troops into positions to attack your ally, or breaking a MPP by attacking you ally will both result in the person you backstabbed getting a +1 bonus to all dice rolls made against your country(attacking AND defending!).

This is the rule that makes it harder for people to backstab.

Nemesis

 

[.:KNAS:.]

ooc: no i havent.... i said it at the beginning, this was my first NES... /ooc

now, the Russian Army is ill equipped and poorly trained. They dont stand a chance. Britains navy is albeit large but it sucks. Their army got lucky. The Prussian fleet only won cuz my boat had already killed two British fleets. All others have yet to step up onto the chopping block...

 

[The Troquelet]

"only been a few turns yet..."

True. but World: rest assured I'm not going to double cross anyone in the next few years. Or even attack anyone. You all know my demilitarization procedures for post-war (I hope some sensible nations will someday follow in my footsteps!).

 

[uknemesis]

I can confirm that France definetly isn't double crossing anyone this turn, and has orders to demilitarise if everything goes well.

Nemesis

 

[.:KNAS:.]

ooc: a great suggestion about money, what do ya say bout giving each player an equal amount of gold as their PC is..... I think its fair...

 

[The Troquelet]

Yeah, UKnemesis, that should make it a lot harder and it means we Western nations can stand back to back with no fear.

Anyway, a backstab is basically just being two steps ahead. That's a maxim of diplomacy, if you're on the same level as your neighbor you've lost the game. Even if you're one step ahead, the other guy can usually guess what you;re up to and usually prevent it. You have to be 2 steps ahead of the enemy.

For example, right now my armies are outside Italy. Assuming I'm going to attack Italy is being on the same level. Now, if I were to turn around and attack Libya by fleet, that's 1 step. But if I were to be Libya's ally, convince him to send all his armies by boat to Italy, and leave his home totally undefended, and THEN attack, that's 2 steps.

Now obviously I'm not going to attack Libya (sorry for using you as the example Juliennew!) for 3 reasons:

1 - I like Libya Libya's always been nice to me and fair to everyone else

2 - I have an MPP with Libya

3 - There are more gains to be had in attacking Italy than Libya, because Libya has a larger income and army, more allies, and is farther away.

So as you can see, I would take the 1st step and attack Italy. Now, Italy can't prevent this because he has nothing to stop me with and he has no double step against ME. So Italy, being on the same level as me and with less armies, is bound to lose eventually. His only solution is diplomacy, for which it's a bit late now because I have cemented the France-Spain-Libya alliance.

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Lesson learned: to win, be a terrific diplomat or have an army 5x the size of everyone else's! Both very hard to do.