Unexpected attitude hit... Update: with save file

[ainwood]

I've attached the minimap for sumeria - doesn't tell whether they do have contact with anyone on the mainland - they may have had contact, but they can't trade maps.

 

[Bartleby]

On a related note, I looked over the save with CRpViewer, none of the other civs' map views suggest they might have met Sumeria.

 

[ainwood]

I can probably check more robustly - might do that tonight if I feel like procrastinating for a while!

 

[AutomatedTeller]

for what it's worth, I can abandon any city filled with celts and sumeria doesn't care.

abandon a roman or an arabian city (which are relatively nearby) and they are unhappy.

i wonder... did carthage have mapmaking when they bit the dust? Is it at all possible that they met the sumerians - the AI could have sent a galley across to the sumerians, and maybe once that contact is made, the citizens still send news of bad deeds around until they are completely subsumed?

 

[AutomatedTeller]

hmm.. you get an attitude hit for disbanding slaves (killing them) - maybe you get a hit for abandoning a city with foreign workers, because they are all dead. Anyone know?

 

[pol1]

IIRC disbanding cities with foreign mojority gives You rep hit (same as razing[?])

edit : read that and next post of SirPleb
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=883009&postcount=89

 

[Bartleby]

Here are some scenarios that I played out:

a) Raze Cumae--Sumerians are cautious
Abandon Aden (100% Arabic)--they're annoyed
Abandon Ancyra (100% Byzantine)--they're furious

b)Abandon Aden and Ancyra--cautious
Raze Cumae--cautious
Abandon Novgorod (100% Russian)--Annoyed
Abandon Carthago Novo (100% Carthaginian)--Furious

c)Give Sumerians contact with Alex & Gandhi
Raze Cumae--Everyone's polite
Abandon two 100% foreign cities--Sumerians Furious, others polite.

d)Capture Cumae--cautious
Abandon it--annoyed

 

[Bartleby]

for what it's worth, I can abandon any city filled with celts and sumeria doesn't care.

I have noticed that the abandoned towns must be 100% foreign to upset Gilgamesh. He is not bothered if you abandon the larger Celtic towns with a majority of Celtic citizens, but if you abandon Eboracum (pop 1 [Celtic]), it does upset him.

I also tried abandoning all my slaves and foreign settlers (after razing Cumae) and he was still cautious.

And I tried giving contacts with the Romans to all parties, razed Cumae and then abandoned some towns. Only Gilgamesh became furious.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

well, that may be because you are in sumeria's shunned government, so their attitude will be worse than the others.

but the big drop is kind of mysterious, anyway...