Unit Preview: Modern Legionary

A modern version would look cool with this weapon. The OICW (Objective Individual Combat Weapon). Maybe the metal armored look could be altered into more of a Land Warrior sythetic one (For modern look).

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/oicw.htm

EDIT: Love the unit BTW!
 
I have a question for everyone that suggested I change the armor to Kevlar... How would you represent Kevlar with something 4 pixels wide? It's hard enough trying to convert the Roman style to a semi-modern time (in which I was helped with that wonderful picture)... But the most I've gotten from people's suggestions for a more modern version is the Land Warrior system. If I made that it would no longer be Roman it would be American...
 
I agree- just basicalyl following the picture more closelly in terms of colourization, a machine gun or what ever would be best,perhaps a real backpack, and black body armor would be best- but leave the style of the armor (and the helmet for that matter) alone, except for adding a back plate, as it seems senseless to me to have the front with out the back in modern warfare conditions

that said I really do hope you make two versionsa modern, and a WWI one :)
 
I supose it depends what sort of situation would arrise during the WWI era had the roman empire remained.
All that ceremonial armour would be not much use in a WWI trenches type combat, other than to protect vital areas from shrapnel. Also It would be very expensive to produce that much armour for a regular conscripted force.

However, if the unit represented an elite unit, such as a guards or semi police or paramilitary role unit (such as a colonial police force) the armour would be good just as decoration. Probably highly polished steel or gold plated tin. Also as a colonial police unit the armour would be usefull against rocks and stones or knives or whatever else protestors could get hold of.

The fact is, that armour has evolved from different styles, taking a form apropriate to its role and the array of weapons aranged against it. The type of segmented armour worn by romans of that early time would have been replaced by medieaval fitted plate armour in response to the use of pikes and pole arms, and the extra cost would have left the foot soldiers (probably armed with complicated crossbows and pole arms, the romas always favoured the technological solution) with little or no armour, just as actualy occured in a europe without the roman empire.

However, the romans, and later the italians were always devoted to tradition (an intact roman empire would almost certainly have been home to an intact catholic church, the home of conservatism and tradition), and ceremonial armour would undoubtedly have recalled its earlier ages of glory.

I say keep the armour, though even an elite guards unit would favour a darker, ornately etched style when an in actual combat situation. The helmet looks good, though a decorative plume would be a cheap and impressive addition, though they might use black cockerel feathers like the italian infantry of WWI and II.

I think the sword is a good addition, though it would probably be stowed at the small of the back along with the bed roll unless the unit was on parade, where it is now would cause some trouble with handling his rifle.
 
I might be the only one, but I'd like to see the regular color of the armor, instead of black.:D

Or the modern one should have kevlar and the WWI should just have the regular coloration?:undecide:
 
I think having bright armour would not make the unit look "industrial" enough, though it may fit better with the early industrial age (napoleon). The thing is, the decorative techniques invented in the mid-industrial age tended to give a dark "Baroque" look to everything, acid etching, cast iron, industrial dyes etc...
 
Kinboat said:
I have a question for everyone that suggested I change the armor to Kevlar... How would you represent Kevlar with something 4 pixels wide? It's hard enough trying to convert the Roman style to a semi-modern time (in which I was helped with that wonderful picture)... But the most I've gotten from people's suggestions for a more modern version is the Land Warrior system. If I made that it would no longer be Roman it would be American...

I remember seeing the land warrior system as a cadet. Bulky and cumbersome, which is probably how the Romans would approach modern infantry.
 
considering what I've seen for "weapons" in my last visit to the Imperial War Museum, London, this unit looks mostly like a WWI stormtrooper (I believe someone mentioned it somewhere above. The stuff that was used in hand to hand melee looked as if it came right from a Medieval Battlefield; including chain armour, spiked clubs (if I remember correctly one was a baseball bat :S) with 6-inch-long nails trough them, swords with a saw worked into them, some wicked hatchet-pike with a connected iron glove...

the unit will look wicked once the metal shine will be darkened by the texture, imho- adornments, perhaps a gas mask- would be nice
 
I really wish you poeple would quit whining about what you would personally like to see and just trust Kinboat to do a fine job. I mean infantry units are so small that the only way you can see some of these detailes is only in the civelopedia picture.
 
I really wish you poeple would quit whining about what you would personally like to see and just trust Kinboat to do a fine job.

I am certain of that, after all KB is :king: that's why I said that the unit will look wicked (which ever way it will turn out). The impression of my visit to the IWM is still so fresh I just wanted to share it ;)

edit: btw, guys- Wyrmshadow is very right: most changes you wish for won't actually be visible due to the small scale size. With civ3 infantry the only really visible item is the headgear- and even that is usually overrated...
 
Kinboat,

This unit looks awesome!! With a bolt action rifle, this would make a perfect Yevon Warrior Monk (From FF X, will be the Yevon Civ UU in my FF mod).

Can't wait to see what the finished product looks like :)
 
I always wonder how many people just post after seeing the first post and ignore the rest of the thread. :rolleyes: Wyrm does have a point through :hmm:
 
MarineCorps said:
I always wonder how many people just post after seeing the first post and ignore the rest of the thread. :rolleyes: Wyrm does have a point through :hmm:

Trust me, I've read the ENTIRE thread (all 4 pages of it :rolleyes: ), and while Kinboat said he'd be ging the unit a rifle, he did not specify what type. Although I'm ASSUMING (note: when you assume, you make an "ass" out of "U" and "me" :p) that since he's making this unit WWI-style, that he'll be armed with a Mauser-style bolt action rifle, although it is entirely possible that it could be autoloading or lever action, since those were both available and, to a limited extent used by several of the armies in WWI (The American Marines used the Browning Automatic Rifle in the battle of Belleau Wood and several other key engagements late in the conflict and the Russians had, immediately prior to the war, ordered 100,000 Winchester Model 1895 Lever action rifles chambered in 7.62x53mm Russian for the Imperial Army).

And on a final note, with some VERY minor coloration differences (not really enough to notice) the unit DOES look like a Yevon Warrior Monk from FF X (I'll post a SS as soon as I can dig one up)
 
Well I'm afraid that this has turned into what Kinboat didnt want it to, a long a drolling thread about nothing in particular (always a few exceptions of cource). This reminds me so much of the last Roman Legionaire unit thread. I hate anything created by commitee. You can't please all the poeple all of the time, hell you can't even please most of the poeple all of the time. Just trust your own instincs and those of your trusted friends that have given much advice in the past. Let the newbies bleat all they want. They'll love your product regardless. If only they knew how hard it is to actually make one of these things they'd shut up in a hurry and just be greatful there ARE poeple that do this for FREE!

Rediculous example:
"oooh, Kinboat, could you please please give him stilts, a jetpack and make him wear a kilt. That huge investment of your time and resources would be perfect for my Rediculously Eccentric MOD #2 of which no one will want to see. And if you don't grant that request I'm sure I can bug you for more nonesense at a later date."
 
Well, whatever Kinboat arms him with, I'm almost positive it will fill a neiche in my mod. I'm just hoping for modern since there are no UUs which replace the Modern 'Multirole' Infantry in my Mod, and plenty which replace the standard Replaceable parts Infantry. But even if he is said Replacable parts Infantry, that is where the current Second Roman UU is, it isn't a problem.
 
Hikaro Takayama said:
Trust me, I've read the ENTIRE thread (all 4 pages of it :rolleyes: ), )
A bolt action rifle would be to small to notice that its a bolt action rifle.

@Wyrm: Hehe. reminds me of Cracker.

I just hope kinboat finishes this soon. :)
 
MarineCorps said:
A bolt action rifle would be to small to notice that its a bolt action rifle.

Take a look at the normal Infantry attack animation ;). The motions of his arms, plus the sounds accompanying the animations suggest a bolt action, but I guess that's more or less nukeing the whole issue. :rolleyes:

If only they knew how hard it is to actually make one of these things they'd shut up in a hurry and just be greatful there ARE poeple that do this for FREE!

Trust me, I've done stuff like this before (creating DooM and DooM II units is almost the same, except I didn't have access to 3D modelling programs back then, as I couldn't afford them, and the process took much longer). I wasn't complaining, I think the unit looks great, and just made one comment, and it was not really even a suggestion or request, since as long as the unit has some kind of rifle type gun, as the Mighty Kinboat himself said he'd use, it is still useable in my mod. Just don't get your panties in a twist about it.... Although I will admit some of the suggestions in the thread are somewhat reminiscent of Wyrm's example!

Anyways, I'm just gonna sit back, relax, and see what kind of magic Kinboat works in the mean time. :D
 
Wyrm's right. Let's just let KB do what he wants. We should trust that he'll do a most fantastic job!:king::goodjob:
 
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