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Utter disappointment

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by heliostellar, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. heliostellar

    heliostellar Chieftain

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    This game is an utter disappointment and I can't believe I shelled out $49.99 for it. I want my money and I want my Civ 4 back. It's not that this game is awful. It's ok... JUST ok, but when it's supposed to be a sequel to Civ 4 then there's a VERY high bar set.

    Let's face it... nothing was added to this game. It's a reduction of all the Civ 4 concepts and it feels like Civ 4 For Kids. What exactly is new here besides additional restrictions? You can move in fewer directions; you can't stack; you can't build as many units because you can't stack; they removed religion. Oh, so they added city states. I like the "Independents" in Rhye's and Fall much better. The city states just end up being conquered... eventually.

    The Great Wonders? Not wonderful... actually pretty boring with little overall gameplay effect. The interface is absolutely terrible to manage all the numbers and metrics with your civ because they hide all the buttons and numbers that were in Civ 4. Really though... aren't all the numbers and readouts all part of the fun of this game?? There's so little thought or strategy needed to play this. Every unit is it's own transport, so the ocean is just one big highway for all your units since most can move faster (or as fast) over water.

    There's no sliders to shift funds from the treasury to research. Expansion simply causes unhappiness, which is easily fixed and it slows down your social progress... snore!

    I've seen people on here comment that "oh, everyone said this about Civ 4." No, actually, I didn't. Civ 4 was far, far superior to Civ 3 and I never felt like Civ 4 overly simplified the core experience of playing a Civ game. The expansions did add a lot to it, but it was a great game right out of the box. I love Civ games and must say I was obsessed with playing Civ 4 for years now. I could never look at Civ 5 again and not look back.

    What a disappointment! An utter disappointment. I've been waiting 5 years for this? Civ For Kids? Really?? :confused:
     
  2. mva5580

    mva5580 Warlord

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  3. May Day 10

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    5 more years of Civ IV doesnt sound like a bad thing though
     
  4. Medopu

    Medopu Warlord

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    I don't have the game yet but those points surely make me want to do it right now.
     
  5. Jerieth

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    Yeah. Civ 4 is a lot better in its current state than Civ 5. Let's hope that Civ 5 evolves kind of like Battlefield 1942 did, it wasn't that great when it was released, but once the Desert Combat Mod came out, people started playing.
     
  6. Boris Godunov

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    How many of these obnoxious "THIS GAME ISN'T CIV IV!!!!1!!!" rants are we going to have to see?

    Mods, can't you just create a general "IF YOU DON'T LIKE CIV V, POST IT HERE" thread for all the whiners? Do we really have to tolerate the spam, especially when most of the criticism is either shallow, incorrect or entirely subjective?
     
  7. heliostellar

    heliostellar Chieftain

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    Unfortunately, I'm sure there's going to be tons of them for the next few months as people install this hatch job and see the game that Sid killed. I realize this isn't Civ 4, but if they have the balls to call this a sequel it should be at least as good as the old game.

    @KingKalabok -- I actually LOL'd to your link.
     
  8. mva5580

    mva5580 Warlord

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    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=381707

    Your thoughts?

    Oh but I know I know....it was different then, right?
     
  9. I, and many others believe this is better then IV, remember back to what vanilla IV was like.
     
  10. _hero_

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    Right because sequels are always as good or better than the original :rolleyes: . Have you ever watched movies before? Sequels to anything are rarely as good or better than the predecessor. That said Civ V isn't a sequel to Civ IV. Technically it's an addition to the series and like all the previous Civ's it's not supposed to be the same game as it's predecessor. Just similar. Civ IV wasn't the original civ. The only thing that can be a sequel to Civ IV is a Civ IV expansion pack. No one called civ V a sequel to civ IV.

    You may not find Civ V as fun, that is fine. But it has plenty of things about it that are good and better than Civ IV was out of the box. Less technical issues. In my experience, there's none of that eternal waiting period between turns in the late game that Civ IV had with for a lot of people.

    I think this may be an issue a lot of people are having. Civ IV is substantially better now than it was before any patches or expansions. The game was FAR from perfect at this stage in it's development. I think most people who are complaining about Civ V have in their minds what Civ IV is like now, with BTS and the patches. It's hard to remember exactly how the game felt with Civ IV vanilla, no patches, for some people. There were some very serious balance issues, hardware issues, technical issues, etc. with vanilla. Additionally, many of the features that aren't in V that people are complaining about weren't in IV vanilla either (Espionage comes to mind.)
     
  11. Swayde

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    I remember reading the same things about Civ 4 when it came out and how people were going to stick with Civ 3. Whatever floats your boat. I am actually loving the game, but hoping a patch comes out real soon or some other fix for my very frequent, and frustrating crashing even though I am well beyond minimum system reqs.
     
  12. heliostellar

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    Oh, I definitely do remember the technical issues with Civ 4 vanilla, but there are fundamental issues that would need to be addressed with Civ 5. Namely, the interface needs to be re-written. I totally agree with the people saying this feels like a console game. I DO NOT have an issue with console games. I love console games and play them occasionally. They do and should feel different to use than a PC game. Civ 5 is not a console game. Why do they feel the need to hid key metrics or not even display them anywhere in the game?

    Also, if I remember correctly, there were a lot of technical complaints about Civ 4 like "my computer can't handle 3D graphics" that aren't the same kind of issue that I'm talking about. I take issue with major design decisions of how the game plays. I don't like how so many things are aggregated out of the game like culture being reduced to another currency.
     
  13. baberg

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    This. I'm sorry you didn't like Civ V and hope you enjoy your time with Civ IV.
     
  14. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    I'm finding it is more than Civ IV in some ways, less in others. I think the most accurate way to describe it is different. There are some things that make it recognizably CIV, which is required for franchise continuity. There are some brand new concepts (like social policies that are like a tech tree vs civics that were like the Civ3 governments). And some things totally "missing", like sliders and direct tech trading.

    There will be lots of people who don't like the new game, and lots who do.
     
  15. exorbit

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    Moderator Action: *snip*
     
  16. mrhell

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    Between the simplification/ruining of civ itself, the unnecessary and frankly offensive requirement to use 3rd party bloatware for no practical reason whatsoever, and the completely ridiculous, amateurish errors in the demo, this is obviously not a franchise that is being taken seriously anymore. It's just an easy cash cow every 4 or 5 years. Even if only 75% of the previous users buy it, it's still money in the bank.
    I'll be throwing it away, and spending more of my time at the animal rescue I run, working in my local town council, and putting more work into my short films. In other words, no loss to me whatsoever.
     
  17. rujikin

    rujikin Off raiding a city

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    Battlefield 1942 was kickass from the start. I played it for about 3 years only stopping to try out newer games then going back to it.

    no it does not
     
  18. Oneluv

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    yet another snide chirp from the cheap seats. I can't believe how many of you are a truly nasty lot; seemingly always willing to jump on the back of somebody you don't agree with.

    Dude was dissapointed with the game. it's O.k. really. His desire to express that is also O.K.(or is it?) Your desire to spread ugly little billious comments also O.K. but really little man, what was the point? Do you feel cool? Better about youself?
     
  19. ohioastronomy

    ohioastronomy King

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    There is a pretty important reason to add feedback if you don't like a new entry in a long-standing series: if you want better games in the future you don't heap praise on things which don't deserve them.
     
  20. Melchizel

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    Agreed, bye cya! :mischief:
     

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