v0.01 ALPHA: Expanded Civic System and Other Changes

[Leif]

Oh, I didn't get that. Then again, the terms are extremely mixed up. The reason why I concluded that you were trying to represent e.g. the Soviet system is that "socialism" was used by Marx to describe the transition-step between capitalism and communism (hence USSR, not USCR). Rather amusing that you used the terms in the opposite way (which is also possible, and probably more common). For less... misunderstandings "social welfare" could be an alternative, but doesn't really "sound" like an ideology (and repeats "welfare" in civics names).

I think that Socialism is an ideology (Myself drawing heavily from it), but what I think Aussie is trying to say is that while the USSR was named the United Soviet Socialist Republic, it wasn't socialist in action due to what is called 'state capitalism', that being the same old inequality and heirarchy all within the state. What Aussie's version of Socialism is what Socialism is supposed to be (think the Parris Commune or the Anarchist communes in Spain during it's civil war), not what one of the worst examples of things being done in it's name.

 

[ToV]

I do not what is wrong, but I still cannot get it to work. I might have instald it wrong. Could you please give specific instructions to install? In particullar, I would like to know it I need anything special to unzip the file. Any help here would be appriciated.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

@ToV. Download the file into any folder you like, then be sure to unzip it into your MODS folder. Then it should work, beyond that I can't see what could be wrong. If everyone was having a problem with it, then I would say that I did something wrong with my files. Anyway, hope that works (oh and, don't forget, you have to go to 'Advanced', then 'Load a Mod' in the Start-up screens.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[ToV]

@ToV. Download the file into any folder you like, then be sure to unzip it into your MODS folder. Then it should work, beyond that I can't see what could be wrong. If everyone was having a problem with it, then I would say that I did something wrong with my files. Anyway, hope that works (oh and, don't forget, you have to go to 'Advanced', then 'Load a Mod' in the Start-up screens.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

That's exactly what I do, but I want to know what you reccomend I unzip it with. Right now, I am right clicking on the folder and selecting "extract all", which might not be the same as unzip.

 

[Barbecue]

So, is this mod work in progress? I think it could take a little fine-tuning and maybe some descriptions for better immersion value,

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

This is a work in progress, just one I have had no to work on recently. I hope to change that in the next couple of weeks (hell, I haven't even had time to PLAY Civ4 lately, let alone mod it )

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[ToV]

I am still unabla to play it, but I figured out how to open up the XML files. There is one thing I have issue with: You give Universal Suffrage war wariness! I get very irritated whenever I see people do that, because Univeral Wariness, by itself, DOES NOT CAUSE WAR WARINESS! Cic III was wrong. We got through World War II without people protesting in the streets. It is free speech that causes war wariness. (I suggest +50%) In the vietnam War, it was not our Democracy that caused War Wariness: it was all of those images sent back, and all of the soliders telling the puplic what was happineing. Please remove Universal Suffrage war wariness in your next modification.

 

[ToV]

Delete, Please.

 

[Patricius]

HI Aussie,
I was wondering if you could post a screenshot of your civics changes...I would like to look at them, but I am not on my computer,so I can't download and look at it through the game.
Thanks,
Patricius

 

[mgdpublic]

Yea a little description of the civic changes would be cool.

 

[ToV]

Aussie_Lurker, I realize I did not make myself clear in my post above, so I want to clear it up. (Before you even respond!) I will use another example to prove my point. In world war one (and maybe two), Most European nations used propoganda to supress war wariness. Reporters were not allowed anywhere near actual battles. Britain was one country who did this. However, Britain was still a Democratically elected counrtr, not a police state. They simply suspended free speach. In game terms, they went from the free speach to the nationhood civic. Many nations made this change.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Hi ToV. You didn't need to explain it to me, as it made perfect sense in your original post-I have just been 'Mulling it Over' in my mind. I agree that it should be Free Speech, and not Democracy, that effects war weariness-but then that leaves me wondering what should counterbalance the benefits of the Democratic Civic. Any ideas? What would be ideal is if we had a more flexible civic system-in terms of effects. For instance, I would like to give free speech a base War Weariness penalty, but with an additional penalty if you have a printing press and/or Mass Media-but with added research/culture bonuses to offset (free-flow of information and all that). At the same time, I would like if Police State had the reverse effect on Printing Press/Mass media-for obvious reasons. Lastly, it would be great if you could differentiate between defensive and offensive war weariness-so that a democracy/free speech setting might give you a bonus to defensive war weariness, but penalties to offensive war weariness. Oh well, a man can dream.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[ToV]

Armandeus, in his mod, had universal sufferage and representaion hav varing city maitanaince penalties, his reasoning being that you have to fund all thode elections, and that a large empire would be a bit harder to maintain. You could play around with this.

 

[ToV]

Hi. Me again. I was looking through your mod, and I just now noticed that you forgot to add Civopedia texts. And also, you added new "We Love The King" messages, but do you not ned new texts for those, too?

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Hiya ToV. Just so you know, I hope to have a new shot at this civics mod-especially now that both the SDK has come out AND that more of the games features have been exposed to Python. I am hoping that this means I can do a lot more than previously!
When I am finished all of the bare-bones, THEN I will go back and sort out the Civilopedia and everything.

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

 

[Norbert]

Hey, I know this mod has most likely been replaced by the later, three phase civics balancer, but I have a question: why did running this mod cause all text, including that in the start menues to disappear? Help = appreciated.

Norbert.

 

[Impaler[WrG]]

TOV: It sounds to me like you have the classic "Extra Folder layer" issue (because the mod is working for everyone else), When the Mod is extracted from the Zip it will be wraped in an extra folder which must be removed.

The proper folder heirachy must be..
Your Civ4 Mod Folder
ModName
Assets
XML and others

Compare with other mods if your still having problems.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

Ummm, just so everyone knows. This thread marks my first-worse than lacklustre-attempts at modding. I really wouldn't bother downloading or using this one, but instead try one of those in my sig-they are MUCH better IMO. I think my problem with this one-aside from not backing up my alterations with text changes -is that I moved too far away from a nice 'minimalist' approach. In my new version, ALL civics have 2 positive effects and 1 negative. Plain and simple .

Aussie_Lurker.