Vassals

[Uber Warrior]

I love making Vassals out of other civillizations, I honestly prefer it to conquering them, even more so if they Capitulate.

So in RFC how do you go about making other civs you . .. .. .. .. .? What strategy do you employ and suggest for others?

If you were America?
England?
France?
Germany?

Pick one and let us know?

 

[AnotherPacifist]

I love making Vassals out of other civillizations, I honestly prefer it to conquering them, even more so if they Capitulate.

So in RFC how do you go about making other civs you . .. .. .. .. .? What strategy do you employ and suggest for others?

If you were America?
England?
France?
Germany?

Pick one and let us know?

Peacefully, that's how. I got 6 vassals once as England, 8 as France (with its unique power).
Germany is a different story, it's conquering all the way.

 

[Panopticon]

Capitulation is a risky strategy in RFC due to stability. By the time they are weak enough to capitulate, they may well be about to collapse. That was my problem in one Turkish game; Arabia and Persia both collapsed just after becoming my vassals.

Another Turkish game was my favourite experience with vassals. Controlling Mali, Egypt, Persia, India and Khmer means your empire stretches from the Atlantic to the Pacific - like the USA, but in reverse.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

One trick I've learned from being Turkey is that if you have a reasonable tech lead and can spare some nonessential techs, if a newly respawned civ (e.g. Greece, Aztec, Inca, Khmer, Mali) is at war with a major power, and they're at least pleased with you, you can make the latter make peace with the former and the small country will be more willing to vassalize to you, especially after you open borders and sign defensive pacts with them.

Being the first to contact a respawned civ also helps, if you have no history (good or bad) with them. In my current Turkey game I contacted Gandhi immediately, open borders and signed defensive pacts AND vassalized him the same turn.

 

[kairob]

Has anyone tried getting optics first as Turkey, and sending ships to the americas & Khmer before anybody else?

 

[Verily]

Has anyone tried getting optics first as Turkey, and sending ships to the americas & Khmer before anybody else?

The Khmer have always met China and nearly always vassalized to them by then in my experience, although China often collapses under the Mongol assault (especially due to poor city placement).

 

[say1988]

I have never got Optics fast enough. My Turkey games also seem to be the games when there is a superpower in Western Europe who gets to the Americas ASAP.
I have become quite adept at capitulating Inca and Aztecs, so that would have been 2/3 of the requirements.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

I have never got Optics fast enough. My Turkey games also seem to be the games when there is a superpower in Western Europe who gets to the Americas ASAP.
I have become quite adept at capitulating Inca and Aztecs, so that would have been 2/3 of the requirements.

Funny that you mention Optics for Turkey...I got the circumnavigation first without ever built a caravel by trading maps with Inca (who had the final missing link.

 

[Muz]

How do you make vassals out of other civs? I've never had a vassal aside from the Aztecs. Even the Incas don't think I'm good enough for them

 

[onedreamer]

you do it by being a big empire.

 

[Zdarg]

I almost never made anybody a vassal. They always come to me and gently ask being vassalized themselves, without any participation of myself.
Usually it happens after I have completely destroyed a couple of major civs.

 

[onedreamer]

that's nitpicking. You have the choice to refuse, therefor if you accept you made them vassals...

 

[AnotherPacifist]

Vassals are good for happiness before Electricity/Wembley and Radio/Mass Media. India and Khmer give you double doses of happiness with all their resources. My people are usually 1st in happiness at the end.

 

[Dabur]

How do you make vassals out of other civs? I've never had a vassal aside from the Aztecs. Even the Incas don't think I'm good enough for them

Hi ,

it depends , what civ do you play , .... ??

when you are first to discover them and have the luck of knowing both guilds and gunpowder you will have a group of your own people who goes there , if you declare war they will sing different after loosing all their units and it will be easy to turn them into a vassal , but be warned they are both a bit sneaky and tend to ' renounce ' the protection you provide sometimes when things get though for example , sometimes they come back and they just leave when you have a war declared by a more powerfull civ on you , ....

the khmer are a rather good vassal , especially when playing as japan , to a lesser extend china

india , well treat them carefully , or you will become a ' vassale ' read slave of them , ... ( ! )


Have a nice day

 

[Metal Alloy Man]

Once playing as Britain(a while back) on viceroy I had a huge tech lead and Arabia, Russia(being poned by Germany, which forced me to declare war on them), Egypt, Mali and Khmer all asked to be my vassals by 1600. I was already the second in score(Germany=first) but with 5 vassal and a tech lead I easily took the lead in score.

 

[AnotherPacifist]

I have never, ever had a vassal renounce on me, even the ones that I conquered. (I never gave them the chance to expand enough) The spontaneous vassals are always so friendly with me that they never want to leave their master.

 

[blizzrd]

So in RFC how do you go about making other civs you . .. .. .. .. .? What strategy do you employ and suggest for others?

Vassals are great. If you get one who offers without needing to be bashed into capitulation is the best. You can demand of these guys for ever (at least in my experience). Capitulated vassals can turn and declare war on you though when you demand something they don't want to give up - I've had this happen to me a couple of times.

I will always accept a vassal when they have access to different resources that I can't otherwise get easily myself. Why trade for stuff when you can demand stuff? I will generally deny a vassal who crawls in my direction if they have bascially the same resources as me. Especially given the new restriction on how many vassals you can have (4), getting a poor vassal is not a great idea.

I almost always vassalise the Inca. They can get much more value out of the mountains in South America than anyone else can with their unique ability. They are inherently more likley to vassalise than the Aztecs for instance also, I think there is a value which causes this in the leader personalites.

A vassal which will always accept gifted cities over a large region is a good vassal, as you can conquere other colonies and pass them over to your vassal to avoid (some) of the upkeep costs and stability issues. Inca (South America), Mali (Africa), Khmer (Australia), Aztecs (North America) are the best examples and often the 4 vassals that I aim for if I'm going for an empire which might be able to win a domination victory.

Sometimes when attacking the Aztecs, they refuse to offer Capitulation as an option even when their last city has just one troop left in it. I've found that sometimes the reason for this stubborn behaviour can be that there are actually a bunch of Aztec units wandering around somewhere in North or Central America which appear to give the Aztec leader the impression that he should hold out a bit longer. If you track down and destroy these wanderers though, I have found that the Aztecs then decide to offer Capitulation when otherwise it wasn't in the diplomacy menu.

Don't forget to gift back any conquered cites to their original owners after they capitulate to you. I usually gift the Pikemen units (and sometimes the catapults too) which spawn from the conqueror events to the natives after they vassalize.

 

[Dabur]

I have never, ever had a vassal renounce on me, even the ones that I conquered. (I never gave them the chance to expand enough) The spontaneous vassals are always so friendly with me that they never want to leave their master.

Hi ,

well a few gifts ones in a while can be great to keep them from being unhappy , lately it seems the khmer love to fight , .... its a Q where to draw the line , if you take to much they will check around for other options , its just plain survival for most of them , .... and it never hurts to give them a few rifleman , it makes them friendly and they use them a few rounds later for your great battle plans


as for expansion , give them those worthless cities on the a**end of space ( read map ) it keeps them happy and yet even if they have more cities then you they stay loyal

Have a nice day