Viable Tradition Civs

[CppMaster]

Do you really believe that playing Tradition is better with just 1 city, than like 4?

They need at least a hundred turns or even more to be worth 10% increase in cost not to mention you need to sacrify growth and production for those settler, which mean losing some key wonders which is very important early as Tradition.

If that's true then after those 100 turns you are in better situation than with only 1 city and it's get better. And a game is usually like 300 turns? I don't really follow your logic...

 

[crdvis16]

Aside from your seconday cities eventually overcoming the 10% science/culture costs (is it even 10%? For some reason I thought it was 7%) they are also useful for faith and gold, as well as being able to offload production of things like military, archaeologists, and diplomats from the capital. They can also be strategic in allowing new trade routes, obtaining luxuries/strategic resources, and could have more defensible terrain than the capital. It's hard to think of a scenario where OCC is anything but a handicap.

 

[Stalker0]

is it even 10%? For some reason I thought it was 7%)

I may have my maps backwards. I think its 10% for small maps, and 7% for standard.

 

[tu_79]

Where on earth have I said that?

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You didn't? I must have it wrong.

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[CrazyG]

I think playing a one city challenge is a really good way to understand tradition better. Lower the difficulty by one, you will still probably be able to win. It does a good job of highlighting what jobs your capital does and why you do need secondary cities.

First off, its going to show you that if you aren't building settlers or extra workers, you have more production than you really need. Its really not that high of a cost to build some settlers.
Secondly, it highlights why a single city can't win the game. The main issues are monopolies, faith, and military.
Thirdly, you will see that even though your culture and science are amazing early on, by renaissance those secondary cities are worth it. When it comes to producing tourism or science, late game more cities is better.

 

[Minh Le]

Strange.. I find that OCC trad is very winable while its very hard when I tried to settle 4 cities . Must be because of those wonders.

 

[Stalker0]

Strange.. I find that OCC trad is very winable while its very hard when I tried to settle 4 cities . Must be because of those wonders.

Could be based on the difficulty level your on. Once you get to certain difficulties you have to maintain X troop numbers to hold off the horde of AI units coming your way.

 

[Minh Le]

Well I always play on deity though.

 

[CrazyG]

Well I always play on deity though.

Last time I tried it on Deity, I just lost because my supply cap was so low. I don't see how you can ever fight wars late game with so few units. My supply cap was 6, I built more units but I had to eat a huge production penalty to do so. I suppose you could get a game without late game wars though.

 

[Minh Le]

Yeah in my few OCC games I didnt have late game war, or war come too late I was already close to winning.

 

[Ninal]

Okay little update from my endless stream of Tradition attempts. My former strong start got killed off by two things:
1) Economically both the Ottomans another civ got ahead of me in policies and they both took artistry as well. Sciencewise they were both run-aways.
2) To even try and stay close economically I took the risk of neglecting my army a bit. So when I got attacked I lost.

After trying and failing a few more starts I am finally in a reasonable position again. I just picked up the last religion and I was wondering what beliefs to pick. I was thinking either Ceremonial Burial because it goes well with Arabia or Divine Inheritance because I am close to my first Golden age and because I have a gold monopoly giving me longer and more Golden Ages.
For follower beliefs I am at a total loss... Any suggestions? Inspiriation or dilligence maybe? Or are they nerfed too hard now?

Secondly I can now go for Drama or Philosophy to make a run for either the Oracle or the Parthenon. Which one do you guys think is better for tradition Arabia? (I already have stonehenge, Temple of Artemis, Hanging Gardens and Petra). I will most likely get Sankore later as well because all the other civs are authority or progress...

 

[CrazyG]

Oracle is the better wonder.

Divine Inheritance > Ceremonial Burial, unless you spread your religion a ton.

Work culture specialists and build writers guilds early. I don't have culture problems when I play tradiiton.

Beliefs, i forget what the numbers are now. Is diligence still 1 per 2 followers? Its pretty good. Mandirs can be very good for at tradition game.

 

[Ninal]

Hi Crazy,

Thanks for the advice! Ok I might go for the Oracle. I could even try to get into medieval era first so that the bonus is bigger but I might lose the wonder than... Risky move.
Diligence is 1 per 2 indeed. So that might be better than the 1/3 culture one. Mandirs would be really good too. Not sure how it stacks with temple of Artemis though.
What do you think of Mastery? It adds even more golden age points on top of my Gold monopoly and might synergise with Arabia and Divine Inheritance...?

 

[Ninal]

Small update:

I did succeed in getting the Oracle while waiting for medieval era. That was such a big boost for my science and culture! I thought it wasn't worthwhile anymore after the nerf but I might have been mistaken. It is turn 107 and I am now the tech leader by a small margin. I am trying to build up some walls and army but luckily I am in a reasonably good defensive position. I also opened up artistry
and am getting close to picking my first policy there. All thanks to the Oracle!

I still have an engineer ready and can probably get either the Great Wall or Hagia Sophia.If you don't mind I would love your oppinion on that one too!

PS I just started spreading my religion. I did take Divine Inheritance and Diligence.

 

[TwoPodRay]

Small update:

I did succeed in getting the Oracle while waiting for medieval era. That was such a big boost for my science and culture! I thought it wasn't worthwhile anymore after the nerf but I might have been mistaken. It is turn 107 and I am now the tech leader by a small margin. I am trying to build up some walls and army but luckily I am in a reasonably good defensive position. I also opened up artistry
and am getting close to picking my first policy there. All thanks to the Oracle!

I still have an engineer ready and can probably get either the Great Wall or Hagia Sophia.If you don't mind I would love your oppinion on that one too!

PS I just started spreading my religion. I did take Divine Inheritance and Diligence.

You should do a photojournal so we can watch and comment as you go.

 

[CrazyG]

Mastery is a good belief. Mandirs do stack with Temple of Artemis in a normal way.

I still have an engineer ready and can probably get either the Great Wall or Hagia Sophia.If you don't mind I would love your oppinion on that one too!

PS I just started spreading my religion. I did take Divine Inheritance and Diligence.

Both are good wonders, do you think you need the Great Wall's defense? Right now you should look at how to reform your religion. Will you need the Cathedral of St. Basil to help? You can also consider planting the engineer as a manufactory.

 

[Ninal]

You should do a photojournal so we can watch and comment as you go.

I would love to add some pictures but I am a total computer-noob. I don't know how to do it technically...

Both are good wonders, do you think you need the Great Wall's defense? Right now you should look at how to reform your religion. Will you need the Cathedral of St. Basil to help? You can also consider planting the engineer as a manufactory.

I have a very defensible position so I think I will skip the Great wall and will try to build Hagia Sophia without the engineer. The only one with enough policies is Brazil and he doesn't have a religion. Hagia Sophia will mean I can keep making missionaries and don't need to spend my faith on a prophet. Than after I am going to build Sankore. Since there are no other Tradition civs I am guaranteed to get it. And after that I need to build a lot of buildings in my capital.

Yeah I might just use the Engineer as a manufactory. I have actually never done this before so I should experiment with it. I think I need to improve the way I use my great Persons. I'm only confident in the way I use my great scientists but I am unsure about the others...

P.S. Any good tips for enhancer beliefs? If still available I will pick mandirs for second follower belief I think... I love the assasination protection as arabia...

 

[tu_79]

I would love to add some pictures but I am a total computer-noob. I don't know how to do it technically...

While playing, press F12 to send a screenshot to the clipboard, then press 'PrtSrcn' to create a TGA file in the ScreenShot folder. You can't upload a TGA image file, but you can convert it to JPG with any image reader. I use IrfanView. Once you have your JPG or PNG image file, use the button that says 'Upload a File' just next to 'Post Reply' here where you type the post. Browse to your image. It is usually stored at 'Documents/My Games/Civ V/ScreenShots/', but you might have sent them anywhere when converting to JPG, so check in Documents folder. After the file is loaded, click on it to post it in your post. It's polite to insert images with Spoilers, so people browsing with a smartphone can skip loading the file.

 

[Ninal]

Okay thanks. I will try again. It's almost like you are talking chinese to me now though... Things most of you consider "easy" are really complex to me... Working with computers always makes me feel stupid...

Anyways I am a few more turns into the game. It was good that I didn't go for the great wall since Brazil took it 3 turns later. I created a manufactory on a flood plains so I still get the 3 food and 1 gold.

I did hard-build the Hagia Sophia and am now pondering my enhancer and second follower beliefs. I think I will go for Mandirs and Iconography. But if you have any better suggestions I would love to hear them! Btw. I need 7% more followers for reformation. I might be able to do it without Basil. I will start building Sankore now.

The french attacked me with a strong army but so far I have been able to hold the line. Both of my frontline cities have walls and I have a small tech lead over him. My secondary cities are now building military and emmisaries while my capital focusses on wonders. I lost a spearman and a caravan to the french but nothing has been pillaged and the french lost a couple of units as well.

 

[CrazyG]

Iconography is the one that gives great person points, right? With Arabia that is your enhancer 100%, no hesitations.