Vox Populi 12-18: Vassalage not working? Or some hidden requirement?

[paul92]

Hi everyone!

Just a quick question. When do you unlock the vassalage option in the "trade" screen when talking with leaders?

Do you just need to enter the Medieval era? Or do you need any other requirements?

Asking because i got to the medieval era, but the option is still greyed out. So not sure if there is any other requirement not explicitly told.

Also because of this i tried to start another game to quickly see if it was bugged, i changed in the file \MODS\(4) Civ IV Diplomatic Features\SQL\NewColumns.sql the line at the bottom:

UPDATE Eras SET 'VassalageEnabled' = 1 WHERE Type = 'ERA_MEDIEVAL';

And made it:

UPDATE Eras SET 'VassalageEnabled' = 1 WHERE Type = 'ERA_CLASSICAL';

When reaching the classical era the situation was the same: option greyed out.

To finish it off i tried directly:

UPDATE Eras SET 'VassalageEnabled' = 1 WHERE Type = 'ERA_ANCIENT';

Nothing changes, even at the start of a new game i don't have the option enabled.

Is it there some hidden requirements that is needed that i'm missing?

By the way the text that appears when hovering over the greyed option is always the same, with the text saying that I need to be on medieval era. But that doesn't mean much since it's static text and it doesn't reflect any changes from the default.

Does anyone have any idea? Once solved this issue i'd actually love to start with vassalage enabled from the ancient era. I really like the concept of it.

Thanks for any help you can provide!

 

[kkkitten]

Vassalage in VP as far as I've experienced is just the "CAPITULATION" option, which gives the deal value 500 when you push warscore high enough in a war (otherwise it's "Impossible!")

 

[paul92]

Mhm weird... Why is it there an option that won't ever be used though? As far as i know "voluntary vassalage" should be a thing in Vox Populi, and the option right there should be the way to do it.
If not why put it there? It also says that it will be unlocked on Medieval Era, so it should work somehow.

 

[chicorbeef]

Mhm weird... Why is it there an option that won't ever be used though? As far as i know "voluntary vassalage" should be a thing in Vox Populi, and the option right there should be the way to do it.
If not why put it there? It also says that it will be unlocked on Medieval Era, so it should work somehow.

Voluntary vassals do exist. You can't vassal a civ that has a vassal itself and you can't offer yourself up as a vassal unless you go into Advanced Options and check Human Vassalage.

 

[Gokudo01]

Mod : Vanillia VP + EUI 11 for vp ( infox)

1 - Enable vassalage
2 - Enter in Medieval era.
3 - check who is afraid of you
4 - GO in demand : Vassal state, it will show "impossible" but ask it by the way
5 - some times ( depending of version, civilization and your empire size) they will accept to become vassal.

Or you can destroyed them until you get 90 - 100 war score and you will be able to ask for "capitulation"

 

[Moi Magnus]

Mhm weird... Why is it there an option that won't ever be used though? As far as i know "voluntary vassalage" should be a thing in Vox Populi, and the option right there should be the way to do it.

Voluntary vassalage do exist, but is rare for a reason: in versions where it isn't, you start seing plenty of bug reports saying "I managed to put under volontary vassalage half of the civ without any difficulty, winning without any fun" or "the AI is cheating by turning all the civs into voluntary vassal, leaving no chances for victory to the others".

 

[civplayer33]

Voluntary vassalage do exist, but is rare for a reason: in versions where it isn't, you start seing plenty of bug reports saying "I managed to put under volontary vassalage half of the civ without any difficulty, winning without any fun" or "the AI is cheating by turning all the civs into voluntary vassal, leaving no chances for victory to the others".

Wouldn't a good way to try and solve this be to only allow VV for civs who have the AFRAID status for the asking civ? In my experience I have never seen half the civs be afraid of me; multiple civs does happen sometimes, but not that often. Usually it's just one or two in late mid-game and late game.

 

[paul92]

Ok thanks for all the replies. Let me get to it.

Voluntary vassals do exist. You can't vassal a civ that has a vassal itself and you can't offer yourself up as a vassal unless you go into Advanced Options and check Human Vassalage.

Yes sorry, forgot to mention it on the opening post. I have that option enabled. Still i can't offer myself as vassal to any civ, even if they reached medieval era.

Mod : Vanillia VP + EUI 11 for vp ( infox)

1 - Enable vassalage
2 - Enter in Medieval era.
3 - check who is afraid of you
4 - GO in demand : Vassal state, it will show "impossible" but ask it by the way
5 - some times ( depending of version, civilization and your empire size) they will accept to become vassal.

Or you can destroyed them until you get 90 - 100 war score and you will be able to ask for "capitulation"

Ohhh wait a second! So the option is only enabled on the "Demand" section of the screen? Is it considered voluntary vassalage then? By voluntary i thought i had to go from the "trade" option.
I might use some clarification here on what "forced vassalage" and "voluntary vassalage" means in Vox Populi then... Maybe i'm just misinformed.

Voluntary vassalage do exist, but is rare for a reason: in versions where it isn't, you start seing plenty of bug reports saying "I managed to put under volontary vassalage half of the civ without any difficulty, winning without any fun" or "the AI is cheating by turning all the civs into voluntary vassal, leaving no chances for victory to the others".

What you say makes sense, and i completely agree. But what do you mean that is rare? Do you mean that most of the time they don't accept? Because i'm stuck at the previous step: i can't even PROPOSE the thing from the trade screen. It's like I didn't unlock vassalage even when being on the medieval era (or whatever era i change the unlock to). The text when hovering on it (which i'm aware is static), describes it like i JUST need to enter to medieval era to unlock that option... BUT I AM! Once i see the option "white" and not "greyed out" then i'm all ok for it being accepted rarely.

Unless what you mean is that the option is unlocked (white) on the trade screen only on the civs that WILL accept it, while being "greyed out" for civs that will not accept it. If that is the case then ok, it's a bit weird because it's inconsistent from all the other options in that "trade" menu:
I expected like being able to click on it and then see the deal as "impossible" to most civs, instead of seing the option not clickable at all.

Thanks everyone for your help! Really appreciate it.

 

[telelavoro]

Honestly, vassalage in general seems a bit OP and I turn it off. If you make someone capitulate, their empire is already in ruins and you've probably effectively removed them from the game, anyway. So it's effectively a 'win more' mechanic. Voluntary vassalage is more or less the same story.