VP Gold Build - The Master List

[Moi Magnus]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't transparent diplomacy also give you the exact numbers in the trading screen? If that's the case, I'd argue for a split so that playing with transparent trading is independent from seeing the diplomacy numbers. The latter I can live without, the trading numbers I need in order not to go crazy when trying to figure out how much the AI values their resources etc.

No you have access to trade value in VP even when TD us not enabled.

 

[Recursive]

As G explained, the AI takes the opinion score (the sum total of those numbers visible with TD), aka OPINION; which is gradually adjusted by modifiers.

Then, OPINION is one of several factors used to calculate APPROACH.

APPROACH = NEUTRAL, FRIENDLY, GUARDED, DECEPTIVE (fake "FRIENDLY") etc.

However, the AI does not only factor in OPINION, it also considers military strength, proximity, how much it can gain, etc.

It's unclear how it does this; I have been unable to find the code for it, so I'm assuming it's in one of the binary files that Github doesn't display and I'm not yet sure how to view.

But anyway, TD is not actually that useful. Knowing the opinion is a bit useful, but it also does other calculations under the hood to decide how it will act towards you. However the intention of it is to act as an information cheat, is it not? So I think it'd be more useful if it could be used that way - otherwise it's not actually as transparent as it claims to be.

TD has nothing to do with AI deal valuation, as Moi Magnus said.

 

[Gazebo]

As G explained, the AI takes the opinion score (the sum total of those numbers visible with TD), aka OPINION; which is gradually adjusted by modifiers.

Then, OPINION is one of several factors used to calculate APPROACH.

APPROACH = NEUTRAL, FRIENDLY, GUARDED, DECEPTIVE (fake "FRIENDLY") etc.

However, the AI does not only factor in OPINION, it also considers military strength, proximity, how much it can gain, etc.

It's unclear how it does this; I have been unable to find the code for it, so I'm assuming it's in one of the binary files that Github doesn't display and I'm not yet sure how to view.

But anyway, TD is not actually that useful. Knowing the opinion is a bit useful, but it also does other calculations under the hood to decide how it will act towards you. However the intention of it is to act as an information cheat, is it not? So I think it'd be more useful if it could be used that way - otherwise it's not actually as transparent as it claims to be.

TD has nothing to do with AI deal valuation, as Moi Magnus said.

TD is not my jurisdiction, Putmalk made it.

The code for approach is in cvDiplomacyAI::getbestapproachtowardsmajorciv

G

 

[Recursive]

TD is not my jurisdiction, Putmalk made it.

The code for approach is in cvDiplomacyAI::getbestapproachtowardsmajorciv

G

Ah, that makes more sense. Thank you, on both counts!

 

[pineappledan]

Why was Reformation beliefs locked? There wasn't much discussion over it.

 

[Stalker0]

Why was Reformation beliefs locked? There wasn't much discussion over it.

Two weeks of polling and not a huge amount of complaints, along with a positive poll. Ultimately I took silence for consent. So far you can tell the threads where work needs to be done, people have not been shy about expressing themselves there.

 

[Asterix Rage]

On civfanatics.com : Search Results for Query: Vox Populi
- Everything but a VP install link

 

[Rekk]

Two weeks of polling and not a huge amount of complaints, along with a positive poll. Ultimately I took silence for consent. So far you can tell the threads where work needs to be done, people have not been shy about expressing themselves there.

We're discussing To the Glory of God pretty heavily now.

 

[pineappledan]

We're discussing To the Glory of God pretty heavily now.

And by extension, TtGoG’s relation to sacred sites.

 

[Stalker0]

If you aren't disposed to dredging up specifics for some of the bonuses, and giving a brief explanation of what the mechanic actually does, then I would ask that you leave a second, sticky post at the top of all your new Going For Gold threads, where you can copy information and specifics if people produce that information later. That way, if people come in a little late, they can see the top of the OP and get caught up on what the current state of that mechanic is. It will help people create informed opinions, and make the discussions easier to get into. It would be more likely that we could get more people to give opinions if we were more forthcoming with information

If people want me to add specific mechanics or information to the top of the threads I am all for it, and will happily add information to the top post to ensure its noted. That said, I'll leave it to the fact hunters to bring it up. I'll set it up, you all can knock it down

 

[Stalker0]

@Gazebo , the Trade Route thread is recommended for locking with your approval.

 

[Gazebo]

@Gazebo , the Trade Route thread is recommended for locking with your approval.

Dew it.

 

[ElliotS]

And by extension, TtGoG’s relation to sacred sites.

I've actually never seen anyone claim they like Sacred Sites , period. Even ignoring TtGoG Sacred Sites has been a massive stinker for as long as I can remember.

That WAS brought up multiple times in the thread, and you seem to have ignored that when locking it. Sacred Sites is just bad.

 

[Gazebo]

I've actually never seen anyone claim they like Sacred Sites , period. Even ignoring TtGoG Sacred Sites has been a massive stinker for as long as I can remember.

That WAS brought up multiple times in the thread, and you seem to have ignored that when locking it. Sacred Sites is just bad.

I think the reformation lock was premature.

 

[Stalker0]

I think the reformation lock was premature.

Fair enough: I will add this to the list for a repoll.

 

[Stalker0]

@Gazebo I'm going to hold on making any new going for golds for a little bit, to let people settle in with a lot of the big recent changes.