Wait for the patch before you buy.

[Crezth]

Lol. Okay, I'm done. I remember now why I never post on forums.

Because you lose every argument you get in due to a lack of understanding and critical analysis?

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But anyway, nevermind. You guys have fun. I'm gonna dig out Civ4.

You too! Tell us how that stacks of doom thing works out. Oh, and using the same basic strategy every game.

 

[Le Sage]

This game is very much unfinished and I am really ashamed to say that I'm playing (though actually enjoying) it in this state. I noted numerous errors and glitches; deer and barbarian camps appearing out of nowhere in the middle of the Northern Sea; very, very bad rivers that look even more crappy up in Alaska, buildings in the middle of the sea and so on. I didn't have one single crash though.

The battles and warfare are great, the music is good and disregarding all the graphical glitches, it actually looks quite good. I don't agree with the OP that it lacks depth; it has had me going for four hours and I've even forgotten to have my occasional smokes.

They shouldn't have released Civ5 in this state though. It really makes me wonder if they're just actually trying to cash in on the franchise and not really make a serious effort. Therefore I am indeed looking forward to the inevitable patches. And there are going to be many of them. As it is, this is not worth 50€, so I can only recommend those who are thinking about forking out to wait until it has been fixed.

 

[Alsark]

todays gamers want the dirty deeds fast and furiously. and for those that want it, this IS a better game then the previous ones.

I don't think you can really lump "gamers" into one category. While, yes, a majority of the gamers may like that style of gaming, Civilization has never really been about that. I view a Civilization gamer as a more sophisticated and patient gamer as compared to, say, a hardcore Counter-Strike fan who I imagine frothing at the mouth and shouting, "BOOM! HEADSHOT!" every two seconds. If Civilization pushes away its loyal, sophisticated customer base in favor of the "boom-headshotters", they will lose the former and not gain the latter. Let's face it, the Total War series is probably better if you want that style of gameplay, and Civilization shouldn't be trying to jump into that field.

As the Civ4 archery quote goes, "If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both."

 

[Elite]

I love Civ V, but I do find the promotion glitch a bit untasteful(I can build Musketmen, and instead of upgrading to a musketman, he upgrades into a Rifleman)

 

[tom2050]

You too! Tell us how that stacks of doom thing works out. Oh, and using the same basic strategy every game.

Too bad the Civ 5 AI isn't good enough to require much use of strategical planning.

 

[For Nall]

Too bad the Civ 5 AI isn't good enough to require much use of strategical planning.

Hell the Civ4 AI has always been much worse. CiV AI may suck at combat right now but at least theres potential for patches. The CiV4 AI could only go for culture victory (They would pick up space parts at random so its not really them trying to win).

 

[Civ5isLame]

Waugupapa,

I completely agree with you. Every upgrade in the game seems just like a stat modifier and every added minute in the game is just another minute to tech and make a knight. You hit the nail on the head. The game is just so...linear. The barbarians spawn outside your base and constantly bore you with their warrior harassment. The AI is not unique. There is no real difficulty or strategy here. The game accomplishes none of its goals by attempting to simplify itself. Maintaining a large army is nearly impossible due to high upkeep costs without having a copious amount of workers or cities that have to be set to auto. The game really just reminds me of counting the fat rolls on my mother in law - there is nothing fun or unique about it.

 

[devilhunterred]

I can't concur more. Have to wait for at least a patch, or even an expansion pack before CIV 5 is worth buying.

I pretty much wasted my $50 on this game on launch day. Could have gotten Red Dead Redemption instead.

 

[Crezth]

Waugupapa,

I completely agree with you. Every upgrade in the game seems just like a stat modifier and every added minute in the game is just another minute to tech and make a knight. You hit the nail on the head. The game is just so...linear. The barbarians spawn outside your base and constantly bore you with their warrior harassment. The AI is not unique. There is no real difficulty or strategy here. The game accomplishes none of its goals by attempting to simplify itself. Maintaining a large army is nearly impossible due to high upkeep costs without having a copious amount of workers or cities that have to be set to auto. The game really just reminds me of counting the fat rolls on my mother in law - there is nothing fun or unique about it.

You just described the Civ series. I hope you realize that.

 

[hclass]

I have been playing civ games for almost twenty years now.
I have worked in the games industry for over ten years.

Your history seems to be very close to mine. (I am a programmer though not coding games)

Civ is probably my favorite game.

Civ is still my favorite game (though I can't be sure for the future)

For whatever reason, this game is not finished and is a waste of your money.

What will be fixed in the inevitable patch:
-terrible, constant crashes and graphics glitches.
-awful balancing and AI issues; it feels like a beta version.

What probably will never be fixed:
-the depth of a civ game is completely missing. Not sure I it can be patched back in. The combat system is awesome, but nothing else in the game is worth doing. Every building and wonder and government choice has been turned into a stat modifier. City states are an interesting idea, but once again, just another stat modifier. The wealth of unique choices that have been traditionally scattered throughout a civ game's centuries have all been removed. Civ IV was fantastic and mesmerizing in its complexity, and Civ Rev was spectacular in it's simplicity. Civ V tries to capture both and achieves neither.

Ironically, the game feels closest to Call to Power, the bastardized Activision version, which had none of the magic.

Civ III was wobbly on release, because it introduced some new concepts which weren't truly realized until Civ IV. But it was still playable. This is not, unfortunately.

Sorry, guys. I'm gonna give it another couple days, but the longer I play the more I just want to play Civ IV, which I'll probably reinstall.

History get repeated.
I am surprise, why an old-timer like you can still fall such a victim.
Why can't you just wait a bit?

I mean the next expansion pack is titled:
Civ5 - the complicacy (religion + many interesting details will be back)

And the final expansion will be:
Civ5 - the "now must buy" (you donkey if you don't buy only after this point)

eh!eh!eh!

 

[paradigmx]

The issues I'm having with the game are easily ignorable until the patch is released, if you work in the field, then you, better than anybody, should understand that games can't be released flawlessly, there will always be issues, a couple dozen QA staff can't catch nearly the amount of bugs and issues that a couple thousand end users can.

 

[Q cumberR]

If you're enjoying the game, that's great! But it is not better. There's just no intelligent way to make that argument.

You say that people are making 12-year-old arguments, and yet here we are with the usual 'I think X is better than Y, therefore arguments saying otherwise are false'.

The combat is significantly better. The city-state system is brilliant. The balance between mass-expansion and a small empire seems (at this stage) very good. The AI is abysmal, but that's to be expected from a 1.0 Vanilla game which completely changes the game from its previous iteration (and patches should be on the way - if not, mods).

Yes, it would probably be best for a first-time Civ player to purchase after the patch (preferably also when the game is a bit better optimised). Still, though, it's not like the game is broken, boring or exceedingly easy.

Oh, also, remind me again how governments in previous Civ titles weren't just 'stat modifiers'? Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Civ4, the majority of civics were just 'stat modifiers' (aside from the likes of Slavery, US, Caste, Nationhood etc which actually did add a few new abilities). In Civ3, the governments were stat modifiers with the exception of a choice between paying and whipping for hurrying production.


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lol, you're totally not trolling with a name like that =D

 

[RohirrimElf]

It`s not like this game is unplayable like Empire total war day 1. With some patches the ai will be more clever. Ive got no problems with crashes, bugs or glitches so far. There might be some but i havnt find them. I have full confidence that this game will be a real challenge for a civ-fanatic like myself if u give it some time.

Only 2 hours before the mail dude/girl delivers Civ 5. can`t wait.

 

[devilhunterred]

It`s not like this game is unplayable like Empire total war day 1. With some patches the ai will be more clever. Ive got no problems with crashes, bugs or glitches so far. There might be some but i havnt find them. I have full confidence that this game will be a real challenge for a civ-fanatic like myself if u give it some time.

Only 2 hours before the mail dude/girl delivers Civ 5. can`t wait.

Wait a sec.

How would you know your game isn't having crashes and bugs and glitches if the game hasn't arrived yet?

 

[paradigmx]

Wait a sec.

How would you know your game isn't having crashes and bugs and glitches if the game hasn't arrived yet?

People have been playing the demo, it's not that much of a stretch to assume that's what he's referring to.

 

[Hornet07]

Game works for me thus far, no crashes yet. The bugs are mildly annoying but for just coming out its to be expected. I plan on losing a great chunk of my life to Civ V

 

[Gunship_Down]

I have worked in the games industry for over ten years.

Scrubbing toilets for a bunch of game programmers on a diet of cola and hotdogs is not what I would call a glamorous career.

 

[bhavv]

My game has started locking up and freezing whenever I try to load a saved game while playing. I need to quit the game and start again to load an autosave!!!

No idea why, it started happening after an update earlier today.

 

[devilhunterred]

People have been playing the demo, it's not that much of a stretch to assume that's what he's referring to.

Because a demo = 100% of the game?

 

[GoRy]

I have been playing civ games for almost twenty years now.
I have worked in the games industry for over ten years.
Civ is probably my favorite game.

For whatever reason, this game is not finished and is a waste of your money.

What will be fixed in the inevitable patch:
-terrible, constant crashes and graphics glitches.
-awful balancing and AI issues; it feels like a beta version.

What probably will never be fixed:
-the depth of a civ game is completely missing. Not sure I it can be patched back in. The combat system is awesome, but nothing else in the game is worth doing. Every building and wonder and government choice has been turned into a stat modifier. City states are an interesting idea, but once again, just another stat modifier. The wealth of unique choices that have been traditionally scattered throughout a civ game's centuries have all been removed. Civ IV was fantastic and mesmerizing in its complexity, and Civ Rev was spectacular in it's simplicity. Civ V tries to capture both and achieves neither.

Ironically, the game feels closest to Call to Power, the bastardized Activision version, which had none of the magic.

Civ III was wobbly on release, because it introduced some new concepts which weren't truly realized until Civ IV. But it was still playable. This is not, unfortunately.

Sorry, guys. I'm gonna give it another couple days, but the longer I play the more I just want to play Civ IV, which I'll probably reinstall.

What part of the industry? You could be a cleaner at Treyarch for all we know! I don't think call to power was THAT bad... (don't hit me). But I've had no crashes or glitches, and Civics often also were stat modifiers (With exception to things like Slavery or Emancipation...well, even Emancipation negatively modified your opponents stats!) so I don't really understand your argument.

It's a TBS. All TBS games use stat modifiers heavily because they can't rely on reactions like RTS or FPS (which..shockingly, also use STAT MODIFIERS as you put it).

It`s not like this game is unplayable like Empire total war day 1. With some patches the ai will be more clever. Ive got no problems with crashes, bugs or glitches so far. There might be some but i havnt find them. I have full confidence that this game will be a real challenge for a civ-fanatic like myself if u give it some time.

Only 2 hours before the mail dude/girl delivers Civ 5. can`t wait.

So true. Entire enemy army turning around and showing you their backsides! Pikemen hammering apart your english rifle wielding guards after taking 0 casualties from 5 volleys! 1st rate ships of the line getting boarded by Sloops!