Walled Wonders

[sTAPler27]

It's a shame that Wonders act like Rural tiles because while one of their main purposes is to give adjacencies to urban tiles they aren't treated as other urban districts are. Alongside that I think bonuses that apply to Urban tiles should be expanded to Wonders.

 

[evonannoredars]

I wish we could build walls around some rural tiles too, just to avoid weirdly snaking walls. Maybe once a wonder/rural tile is surrounded by walled urban tiles on three/four connected sides?

 

[GeneralZift]

Most wonders are in urban areas right? You don't usually build a huge church or something in the middle of nowhere

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Most wonders are in urban areas right? You don't usually build a huge church or something in the middle of nowhere

One of the problems with Wonders ever since Civ VI came out - when they started expanding cities by districts - is that they represent a variety of locations.

As said, some require access to lots of people - urban tiles, so to speak - like the cathedrals and temples: Notre Dame to Mundo Perdido. Others are very rural monuments: there was no city on the plateau where they built the Pyramids, (a worker's village while they were being built, but that's all) or Terracotta Army, or the Pythian Oracle.

Ideally, each Wonder should have a requirement to build that includes the type of tile: not just 'vegetated' or 'tundra', but also Urban or Rural.

And Urban placements should get increasing bonuses the more Urban tiles that are adjacent to them - the closer they are to the center of town. After all, neither Notre Dame nor the Pyramid of the Sun were built out on the outskirts of the city, they were/are right in the middle of everything, where the maximum number of people could get to them for ceremonies.

Rural Wonders, like the Oracle or Pyramids, don't require access to maximum numbers of people all the time, but are centers for activity on a ceremonial basis, so they could get extra bonuses based on the number of settlements within X tiles - people still need access on special occasions, just not weekly.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

^ And Rural Wonders (Like The Great Pyramids of Giza) is fine without walls or fortifications?

 

[GeneralZift]

Are the Great Pyramids rural? I thought they were right next to Cairo. Or perhaps they were Rural in the past and sort of count as Urban now.

 

[Phrozen]

Cairo was built far after the Pyramids were.

 

[GeneralZift]

Thanks, I thought Cairo was sort of where the builders would have stayed while building the pyramids, after which then became a big city. But I suppose I was wrong

Cairo was built far after the Pyramids were.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Thanks, I thought Cairo was sort of where the builders would have stayed while building the pyramids, after which then became a big city. But I suppose I was wrong

Cairo started about 3800 years after the Pyramids did, so they are not contemporary. Cairo is near the point where the NIle starts branching into the Nile Delta, so the site has always been an important stategic/economic city location. Before Cairo, ancient Memphis, Heliopolis, and medieval Fustat were all located near the site of modern Cairo, which was basically built on top of Fustat.

The bulk of the Pyramids were built on four plateaus: Giza, Abudsir, Saqqara, and Dashur. While there were extensive 'towns' on the plateaus while a pyramid was being built, to hold the workforce, there is no indication of any large 'urban' areas there until modern Cairo began encroaching on the Giza plateau: they were ceremonial tombs and tributes, not centers of worship or any urban activity.

And remember, once railroads and the automobile basically removed any transportation time limitations, cities began to expand dramatically compared to anything that had existed before: modern Athens extends clear across the Attic peninsula almost all the way to Marathon, which was 26 miles away in the country in Classical times, while Harlem, Bronx and Brooklyn were all separate towns in the area of 19th century New York City, but are now all submerged in the metropolis.