What do you all think about a war against Babylon? I think we should do it. We might need ~10 turns, to get some more units (mainly in our stack near Edorai), but then we should be ready to go. I think our stacks should mainly consist of trebs and samurai, with the odd pike and elephant to fight against horsearchers.
War with Babylon
- Thread starter dutchfire
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Cyc
Looking for the door...
Sounds good to me. 
Vandal Warlord
Nazgûl
Sounds good to mee too.
thecommonnate
Theocrat
Yes, we should do it, but 10 turns really? We can prepare in that time?
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
I think it's a good idea once we have Samurai / Ellies / Siege enough to be sure that we can attack two fronts without losing a city ourselves. If that is attainable in ten turns, I dont see why not...
thecommonnate
Theocrat
Well sure we should if we could, but my question was if we could be ready by ten turns.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
I believe Diamondeye was just expressing his opinion, not answering your question. We probably need an analysis done by DaveShack. But the war should be put off for at least 10 turns.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Should we discuss invasion plans here? I would suggest capturing Sippar (home to taoism right at the edge of Babylonian lands) and while the AI sacrafices his offensive units to try and recapture it we can send troops to Borsippa and split his empire in two.
thecommonnate
Theocrat
Yeah I would like to see plans being made and agreed upon for this war.
Vandal Warlord
Nazgûl
I think that after 10 turns Babylon will continue to grow millitary wise.
// Speaking from memory here
My general plan was to have 2 stacks, one near New Giruvegan and one near Edorai. The one in Edorai would go east to Sippar (right?), the one near NG would go NW.
thecommonnate
Theocrat
Vandal brought up a good point as well, especially because the Babylonians are already a much more powerful foe then Spain ever was.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
I think we should Road that mine and plains tiles north of NG to help our invasion forces
I’d send the NG stack into Borsippa rather than Mari as you propose, although the Edori stack would still go to Sippar. I’d then send a stack into Dur-Kurigalzu, which as a core city is more valuable to Lincoln than his western ones.
I wouldn’t build any more War elephant. They do well only against Horse archers, get no defense bonus and are very weak against spears while Samurai only cost a few hammers more. Also don’t neglect Longbows to help defend our stacks and captured cities. We have enough gold to upgrade all our axes.
As for specialists if we get rid of a scientist in Arete and Barcelona it would improve our chances of getting a prophet to build Dai Maio in Sippar.
I’d send the NG stack into Borsippa rather than Mari as you propose, although the Edori stack would still go to Sippar. I’d then send a stack into Dur-Kurigalzu, which as a core city is more valuable to Lincoln than his western ones.
I wouldn’t build any more War elephant. They do well only against Horse archers, get no defense bonus and are very weak against spears while Samurai only cost a few hammers more. Also don’t neglect Longbows to help defend our stacks and captured cities. We have enough gold to upgrade all our axes.
As for specialists if we get rid of a scientist in Arete and Barcelona it would improve our chances of getting a prophet to build Dai Maio in Sippar.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
I agree on the main troop composition Dutchfire states, crossbows must be taken by elephants.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Looks like Lincoln is nearly a match for us in GNP, Manufacturing and Power, this will not be a quick war. Capturing all those cities is going to cause serious war weariness and without a culture slider we have little to counter it with. It may be best to conquer Babylon in two stages.
If so cutting it in half at Borsippa looks like a good idea. We could then concentrate on his western half (full of younger cities probably more easily taken) or his Eastern half (core cities harder to take but devastating for him to loose).
I would tend to work the western portion. Then we can turn on his his core cities later when our relative strength is much greater than his.
If so cutting it in half at Borsippa looks like a good idea. We could then concentrate on his western half (full of younger cities probably more easily taken) or his Eastern half (core cities harder to take but devastating for him to loose).
I would tend to work the western portion. Then we can turn on his his core cities later when our relative strength is much greater than his.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Screenshots of the target areas.
Diamondeye
So Happy I Could Die
... I would aim for the right side - we are going to fight nearly the same amount of soldiers (defenders might be tougher, but numbers are almost the same), so WW difference will be small due to the facts that:
We will not be culturally dominant in any case,
We will take the same amount of cities, ~
We will lose only a few more units (since we will be bombarding, cultural defenses are out of the equation),
We will kill only a few more units since most of his army will not be tied to a city, so the only difference is between amount of defenders in left or right).
