War!!!

[Falcon02]

I assume any peace that demands something of us then would then be out of the question in your mind then.

I doubt we can get a "Free Peace" but I still plan on posting an opinion poll to gather views, so I'll include that in it.

 

[grant2004]

I don't think we're in that bad of a spot, France didn't attack with very much force, the fact that axemen haven't rushed across our western border suggests they don't have as many axemen as we anticipated. We should be able to push through their lines relatively easily. The axeman we have guarding the copper near Coppertown has a 59% chance of success against the archer defending Rheims, if we had one or two more axemen there that would be enough to take that city immediately, especially with the chariot support nearby.

One thing we'll have to watch out for though, is they may make more naval landings, we should keep a few axemen/kesiks in the east for safety

 

[fed1943]

Falcon 02:

"Rheims must be razed,Lyons maybe". Two reasons for the difference:
a) Civilian: Rheims is poor, coastal but no sea resources,a lot of overlaped
tiles with our Coopertown,just the cows, while Lyons has a sea resource,
only 3 overlaps and is a reasonable city. But,more important,
b) Military: a look at the map, shows from our left to right, NotA, Riversight
and Coopertown, on the exterior lines; Rheims is on their left,our right,flank;
Lyons is almost the center of the operations theater.
Said position (Lyons situation) allows us to go to Orleans and, in their hands,
allow them to attack all our empire (cities,resources,communications) but EA.
So,we shall need to have troops on Lyons place and destroy the enemy
troops trying to arrive/stay there.
I,as one, should raze,Lions,too, but that is questionable; to make a
garrison travel to distant and out of center poor Rheims would be an
heavy mistake; Rheims must be razed just to not threat Coopertown
and not to build enemy troops.

About to try to delay this war, I respectfully disagree: the most dramatic
change would be a German intervention and they are closer to French;
lets deal with French (at least, their attack,Rheims and Lyons) before Germany get some ideas.

Best regards,

 

[dutchfire]

Destroy the lone axeman in our territory
Keep building the settler in NotA, other cities produce some military
Attack and raze Rheims and Lyons within the 10 turn minimum period of war.
After 10 turns, declare peace, and continue peaceful strategy.

This will knock out two French cities, and we can continue on peaceful expansion.

 

[grant2004]

Now that we're at war I wouldn't stop till we've reached Paris, even with two cities burnt the French would still continue to come at us and act as a thorn in our side. Diplomatic relations will be permanently soured by this war and the act of razing. If ever we have to fight a war against Germany or Rome, France would jump at the opportunity to hit us.

 

[Hyronymus]

I wopuld continu too if only for the extra experience our units will gain. And who doesn't want to control the beautiful city of Paris?

 

[Joe Harker]

Go for total war, it will elimate france and we won't have to look over our shoulders when dealing with germany who is really our main potential emeny

 

[Bertie]

I agree with the total war concept. We shouldn't stop the war until we've annexed all of France (unless we see a tactical advantage in pausing war for 10 turns or so). Napoleon is a pain to deal with even when he's on friendly terms; now that's he's declared war, he'll be impossible all game unless we eliminate him.

Re Lyons and Rheims: definitely keep Lyons. Rheims? I'd destroy it, and send our own settler that way if we decide we must have a city there (I'm not sure we do).

 

[DaveShack]

On Rheims, depends on whether it's land we'd rather the Romans not get. Is there a big difference between keeping it vs razing and re-settling?

 

[dutchfire]

Settlers are expensive + we might save some French buildings.

 

[DaveShack]

Settlers are expensive + we might save some French buildings.

That part is obvious, but are there any advantages for razing to trade off?

My preference is to keep unless we'd be in a position of not being able to afford research any more.

 

[dutchfire]

That part is obvious, but are there any advantages for razing to trade off?

My preference is to keep unless we'd be in a position of not being able to afford research any more.

They're not in the ideal position for us.

 

[grant2004]

I'd say they're still decent cities, while not in an ideal location, if they are developed wisely they will become very useful none the less.

 

[Hyronymus]

I'd say they're still decent cities, while not in an ideal location, if they are developed wisely they will become very useful none the less.

That's my point of view too. And as said before: settlers are expensive ánd they occupy our build queue and prevent cities from growing. So why not keep those French cities <snip>?

Moderator Action: Derogatory term removed - Daveshack
Moderator Action: Hyronymus: ff dimmen - no need to insult other peoples. Please keep it polite - Rik

 

[Falcon02]

The War with France is continuing well.

If I'm not mistaken we only lost 2 unit the entire session last time (an Axeman launching a counter attack and a Chariot defending a hill from the Axeman that pillaged the silver)

We have taken Rhiems with no loses, and discovered a new French city to the NW of Rhiems which we didn't know about, Marsailles.

We are now number 1 by a good margin on the power graph, however I feel we still need some military build up, even though we can step back production a bit.

Of upmost concern right now is France now has 2 galleys heading to our eastern territories, containing 2 axemen and 2 spearmen. We have plenty of Keshiks to deal with the Axemen in the relative area. However the Spearmen could cause heavy loses since the primary unit available to defend the east right now are Keshiks. I imagine Napoleon's goal is to take out our Horses, we MUST prevent him from doing this!

Also, with the Axemen and Spearmen on the galleys Lyons' defenses are very poor now. We have 2 axemen nearby which may be able to take Lyons by themselves, however I think we should wait until the Axemen and Spearmen are taken care of, and we have 1-2 more units to aid in the assault of Lyons.

 

[grant2004]

My suggestion would be to send the two keshiks defending the silver mine over to attack Lyons, they can mop up any units those two axemen fail to kill.

As for the defense of the horses I think the best option is to let the French land, if we try to defend the horses (where we expect them to land) a victorious spearman will stay aboard the ship (assuming we have more than 1 unit defending) and will have time to heal and hit us again. If they land on the horses however, we can use the catapult now moving towards NOTA against them, causing enough damaged for our Keshiks to take them out.

The other thing I wonder is what should our policy for Marseilles be, should we attack it now or latter. I'm leaning towards attacking it latter, because it doesn't have much production now, but I'd hate to see it build a strong defense before we get there.

 

[Joe Harker]

Marseille in my opinion needs to be taken/razed but since it is a fairly new city we can wait before attacking it as we have block it off from the French homelands so it won't (hopefully) be reinforced. I think the best time to conquer it would be after the capture of orleans as we will proberly need a few turns of rest before going south so any new units porduced in that time can head north and capture the city

 

[dutchfire]

Dear Warlord Falcon02,

Which cities do you think we will capture in the near future? Might it be wise to send some Keshiks to the Barbarian city near the Indecisive Lakes? It's placed in a good position, and I'd like to capture it. Marseille shouldn't be attacked IMO, it's harmless to us, and capturing it will cost us maintenance, while razing it will open up space for Caesar and Bismarck. Lyons should be taken in my opinion, as it's a good city, and hardly defended. Orleans would be nice to have too, but I think we should see how well it is defended.

Dutchfire
Interested citizen and Elder hoping for a new city to rule

From the other thread, my opinions.

Also when attacking the barbs, make sure the city has reached size two, or it will be razed.

 

[Falcon02]

My suggestion would be to send the two keshiks defending the silver mine over to attack Lyons, they can mop up any units those two axemen fail to kill.

That should work, especially since it's mostly out of harm's way with the French Galleys moving eastward.

Your point about the horses is interesting, but if we are unable to mount a sucessful counter attack against the spearmen either they get a chance to pillage and we lose our Horses...

I'm gonna want another look at the save though before I comment further, if we feel confident we can easily destroy them the turn they land it might be the way to go.

The other thing I wonder is what should our policy for Marseilles be, should we attack it now or latter. I'm leaning towards attacking it latter, because it doesn't have much production now, but I'd hate to see it build a strong defense before we get there.

I agree... Marsailles is a bit out of the way right now, I'd go for Orleans before Marseilles.

 

[dutchfire]

Marseilles maintenance might kill the French economy in the long-run. And we can always come back later to take it. Our Keshiks will be able to attack it the turn we declare war again.