I start a game, play for a bit and find that I am surrounded by morons. It's supposed to be a good thing to have neighbors? Not when their capital is ten tiles away from yours, and then they settle just above you before you can even get your first settler built. Or how about when you start a game and you're surrounded by tundra and desert, or have no bronze OR iron anywhere, or start off all alone? Well, that's been every god---- one of my games for the past few days. This is only the beginning of the aggravation, though. No matter what I do, the results are a hard flick to my genitals. And I'm sick of it. I don't know how any of you can stand to play this piece of @#^& game. Unless you like to be miserable? Please. By all means, share with me the secret of this game's appeal. I see nothing redeeming in it at this point. I am very nearly ready to snap it and chew it up and eat it, then digest it, crap it out and mail it to Sid Meier.
What a load of trash!
- Thread starter Nevordan
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Nevordan, we've been trying to help you out but you just seem determined to not like the game. You SAW my start on my Dom game, no puppies and ranbows there. Sometimes your starts just suck.
You're angry because someone settles on top of you (Kill him first, take that city) AND you're angry when you start off along (Sweet, no competition for the good spots).
Maybe it's just not for you but don't destroy the game, obviously your girlfriend likes to play it.
You're angry because someone settles on top of you (Kill him first, take that city) AND you're angry when you start off along (Sweet, no competition for the good spots).
Maybe it's just not for you but don't destroy the game, obviously your girlfriend likes to play it.
aberwak
Mapper of the world
My suggestions:
-Try different map types and settings... or with a different map size. Eventually you might find one that balances isolation and proximity to other civs to your liking.
-Reform the map. If you're absolutely unhappy with a starting position, you can regenerate the map before you start (you might have to be in advanced start or world builder for this).
-Check out the "Balanced resources" option in the custom games menu- this will ensure you have the necessary resources.
-Try different map types and settings... or with a different map size. Eventually you might find one that balances isolation and proximity to other civs to your liking.
-Reform the map. If you're absolutely unhappy with a starting position, you can regenerate the map before you start (you might have to be in advanced start or world builder for this).
-Check out the "Balanced resources" option in the custom games menu- this will ensure you have the necessary resources.
Florian
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If someone settles that close to my capital, I think either, "That's the first city I take" or "let's see how well they can work those tiles when my CULTURE comes pouring in," depending what leader I'm playing.
As for no iron / no bronze, it happens occasionally, but it's rare.
As for "surrounded by tundra and desert," I don't think I've ever seen that happen. If it's happening regularly for you, you're unlucky enough that you should NEVER walk under a ladder. Heck, don't even go outside.
As for no iron / no bronze, it happens occasionally, but it's rare.
As for "surrounded by tundra and desert," I don't think I've ever seen that happen. If it's happening regularly for you, you're unlucky enough that you should NEVER walk under a ladder. Heck, don't even go outside.
OTAKUjbski
TK421
If you think that's a bad thing, then play multiplayer or a harder level. Otherwise, moronic neighbors should make your game that much easier (and possibly more enjoyable).
10 tiles is a dream come true. That's a rush waiting to happen.
At that point, don't build Settlers ... build Axemen.
.Alternatively, there are effective methods for building fast Settlers (like chopping & whipping for example).
Find the seafood. Or regenerate.
Horses?
Didn't you just complain about neighbors being too close? Now you're complaining about them being too far away.
At any rate, isolation can be a very good thing, because then you can focus on peacefully expanding without any competition ... makes for great fun if you can hog all the religions on your little island.
Wel, one option is to use the World Builder to check out a map before playing it. Just look at the map and where everybody is ... if you like it, then save it somewhere. Come back to it in a week ... you'll very likely have forgotten everything about the map except that you know it meets your standards.
Some people actually get off on that.
I sit when I play.
Not particularly. Then again, it was only my first few games I'd count as "miserable".
Because it's challenging.
I bet you could get a million hits on YouTube if you record that with your webcam.
EDIT:
I'd also like to reiterate some advice that was given in the thread I will never be as good as you at Civ 4:
That is seriously the quickest & easiest way to get great advice and improve your game.
-- my 2
Florian
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Guardian_PL
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@OTAKUjbski - big up 
sums it up
sums it up
I have to admit that I have been very frustrated with this game but it is due to my ignorance of game rather than it just being a bad product. I play Noble and have not won on that level yet but was able to take my Civ til the end a few times and losing time victories. Something that I have yet to figure out is how to avoid getting left behind in the tech race. I am able to keep science at 100% throughout the entire game and will still get behind in the tech race and never able to recover. I build every science building I can think of but still no use. Before I know it, it is 1965 and I just discovered the radio.
nbcman
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@Xirtic88
If you are keeping your science at 100% then you may not have expanded enough. I usually try to expand such that my science slider is about 50-60% before I stop and consolidate (get Courthouses and Currency). After that I try to expand while keeping my science slider in the range of 50-80%. Unless I have a lot of religious shrine income or I am trading many resources for gold, it is not possible to stay competetive in the tech race without having enough cities to generate commerce to convert to beakers.
nbcman
If you are keeping your science at 100% then you may not have expanded enough. I usually try to expand such that my science slider is about 50-60% before I stop and consolidate (get Courthouses and Currency). After that I try to expand while keeping my science slider in the range of 50-80%. Unless I have a lot of religious shrine income or I am trading many resources for gold, it is not possible to stay competetive in the tech race without having enough cities to generate commerce to convert to beakers.
nbcman
slobberinbear
Ursine Skald
OP: I suggest you try a Custom Game. Use a Standard Pangaea map, but only choose 3 or 4 AI civs. This will give you a buffer of land. If you like, choose non-violent AI civs like Hatshepsut, Roosevelt, Mansa Musa, and Gandhi. Now choose the "no barbarians option." This will let you expand and explore easier. Now lower the difficulty to Warlord. If you don't like the starting land, regenerate the map.
What you will have is a relatively peaceful game of expansion and diplomacy, followed by a choice of a peaceful victory or world conquest.
What you will have is a relatively peaceful game of expansion and diplomacy, followed by a choice of a peaceful victory or world conquest.
If you don't like it don't play it. Civ isn't for everyone. If I hadn't been playing since the original DOS Civ 1, I might not like it either.
SealJuice
Chieftain
Whenever I am frustrated, I load up the 1000 AD scenario. It is well-balanced although you do have to approach every start position differently. I love that scenario.
I seem to have lots of games where I have no bronze or iron. If I don't even have horses, it means I have to play a good diplomatic game and pour on science to Feudalism, then use archers and catapults to keep the dogs at bay until I get gunpowder. I can sometimes win a Noble game this way.
I figure if I am wining more than a third of my games, I am not being challenged enough.
-W
I seem to have lots of games where I have no bronze or iron. If I don't even have horses, it means I have to play a good diplomatic game and pour on science to Feudalism, then use archers and catapults to keep the dogs at bay until I get gunpowder. I can sometimes win a Noble game this way.
I figure if I am wining more than a third of my games, I am not being challenged enough.
-W
futurehermit
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The game has a learning curve, no doubt.
Drop a skill level til you figure out more of how to play the game and ask for advice on these forums and try to integrate that advice into your game.
The appeal of the game is in fact its complexity (in my opinion). The more you learn to do, the more fun it becomes!
Drop a skill level til you figure out more of how to play the game and ask for advice on these forums and try to integrate that advice into your game.
The appeal of the game is in fact its complexity (in my opinion). The more you learn to do, the more fun it becomes!
You can choose your start?
When I played it I selected a leader, got no knowledge of copper or such unless I entered WB, and as Rome had 5 civs right on top of me (because, you know, Europe's sort of cramped, evidently
)I'm not really sure this is sound advice.
SuperSatan3
Chieftain
Sounds exactly like me. Generally in Noble I get swamped by Barbarians. Nothing is more frustrating than having a swarm of Barbarian Axeman pillage your city when you barely have an archer.
Another thing that bothers me on Occasion is lack of resources. I hate it when I have no iron, copper, or horses. If I don't have two of those three by AD, I usually just scrap the game.
I generally have a love/hate relationship with the whole Civ series. Scarce resources are fun because it gives you something to fight over. Barbarians because they give you lots of battle experience.
I personally think Nevordan shouldn't even be a gamer. If you have these kinds of negative emotions when you play ANY game, you either play out of simple addiction, or you need to find a less stressful hobby.
To Anang: I guess the first time you play you might not know where everything is, unless as you say you enter world builder. But the map is quite realistic, so you can be sure the romans will have iron, and I just told him the germans have copper, so there are 2 starts with known, said, resourses.
But why not go into world builder have a good look at the map and choose whos start you like best and play that? If you think this is cheating then punish yourself with a higher level to even the playing field.
Edit: Choose your start as in choose which civ you want and hence where you start, or even better, enter world builder and put yourself where you want to be.
But why not go into world builder have a good look at the map and choose whos start you like best and play that? If you think this is cheating then punish yourself with a higher level to even the playing field.
Edit: Choose your start as in choose which civ you want and hence where you start, or even better, enter world builder and put yourself where you want to be.
Guardian_PL
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Even better option - like Slobberinbear wrote somewhere, save map, open Worldbuilder and if it looks ok to play (I mean other civs not to close and not to far, possibly on tundra/ice, when You have at least 6 gold mines in vicinity and all strategic resources
), just save it and come back after 3-4 weeks, by that time You'll forget everything about it except that it's acceptable ![[pimp]](/images/smilies/pimp.gif "Pimp [pimp]")
