Ribannah
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Nothing.
But others should pay $100 each.
But others should pay $100 each.
What do you think this Civ III additional CD would be worth?
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Isak
Civ4 Scenario Designer
To all those whose willingness to pay, depends on the price of the expansion, please note the above.
Ok so what is the question here, is it,
"If C3C was available for $30, but you could buy a special version for $30 + n, which contained this extra content, would you buy the standard version or the special version?"
Or is it,
"If C3C came with this extra content, and was available for $30 + n, would you buy it at all?"
if the question is the former, then I would probably pay little or anything for the additional content, since I have rarely found user-mad mods to be to my tastes from past experience. If however, some reviews mentioned features I very much liked, I might consider it.
If the question is the latter, I would likely buy it at whatever price it came at, since I'm a Civilization fanatic who earns a decent income - and so even $100US would be relatively little compared to the many hours of enjoyment derived. However the reason I would buy it is to get access to C3C, as well as future patches Firaxis brings out.
So which question is it?
-Sirp.
"If C3C was available for $30, but you could buy a special version for $30 + n, which contained this extra content, would you buy the standard version or the special version?"
Or is it,
"If C3C came with this extra content, and was available for $30 + n, would you buy it at all?"
if the question is the former, then I would probably pay little or anything for the additional content, since I have rarely found user-mad mods to be to my tastes from past experience. If however, some reviews mentioned features I very much liked, I might consider it.
If the question is the latter, I would likely buy it at whatever price it came at, since I'm a Civilization fanatic who earns a decent income - and so even $100US would be relatively little compared to the many hours of enjoyment derived. However the reason I would buy it is to get access to C3C, as well as future patches Firaxis brings out.
So which question is it?
-Sirp.
Ribannah
Fighter Druid
$30 translates to 50 Euro (about double the US price), and prices in Europe will not fall.
dojoboy
Tsalagi
Who's going to do patch support? Are the authors of the Mod CD writing code or just manipulating an editor, which takes time for something worthwhile? I voted $5. Neat idea.
Ok i havent made up my mind i need more info, about what specific things are going to be in this. Also i would rather wait 2 hours to download something rather than even pay $5 . Also i want more info on what you guys want to aim as i appreciate the work that would be put in, but for what aim specifically? I dont think it is right in a moral sense to do this, as i think people are being very good just buying this expansion pack for a staggering $30 in the first place which i dont think it is worth. Also this may weaken the customization community as less new players will need to go there if they want a mod/scenario etc.
Anyways need just more info.
Anyways need just more info.
scotland_no1
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troytheface
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I agree with SparrowHawk. Mods are done by die hard fans.
I like the days of old when the net was wild and fun and free and now , with more and more people using it, it has turned into a
nothng more but a place where money is the driving force...not adventure or fun. I would take it if they paid ME maybe 10 dollars, maybe.
I like the days of old when the net was wild and fun and free and now , with more and more people using it, it has turned into a
nothng more but a place where money is the driving force...not adventure or fun. I would take it if they paid ME maybe 10 dollars, maybe.
No offence to any mod-makers, but I would rather not have it included and not have to pay more.
I am sure they everyone does excellent work, and anything included on this cd would be their best ever, but I am simply not the target audience, and I would not want to be forced into it. I pretty much just play vanilla Civ3 and PTW, I do use Snoopy's modpack, and if he designed a version that he charged $2-$5 via paypal for it I would gladly support him, because I would be supporting him directly.
That said, I'm also the ideal customer for Firaxis, I don't want the additional mod content, I don't want to pay more, but when the game comes out I will buy it on release day; even if it is a full priced ($50) expansion.
I am sure they everyone does excellent work, and anything included on this cd would be their best ever, but I am simply not the target audience, and I would not want to be forced into it. I pretty much just play vanilla Civ3 and PTW, I do use Snoopy's modpack, and if he designed a version that he charged $2-$5 via paypal for it I would gladly support him, because I would be supporting him directly.
That said, I'm also the ideal customer for Firaxis, I don't want the additional mod content, I don't want to pay more, but when the game comes out I will buy it on release day; even if it is a full priced ($50) expansion.
Copernicus
Chieftain
Tet (and all modmakers involved), I think that this is a fantastic idea. However, reading through the comments it seems many people still don't understand what it's about. There are many comments to the tune of, "Why pay when I can download it for free?"
Well, you can't download it for free.
Think of this: each new mod is created by one or two modmakers, possibly using some graphics from one or two other modders. The quality of the best of these mods (my personal favorite is Ancient Med.) is already very high. Now, imagine if ALL of the best modders got together and worked on some BRAND SPANKING NEW mods. They'll spend even MORE time on these mods, since they'll be compensated. I'm already amazed at what they do in their free time - I think we'd all be drooling to get our hands on what they produce under these new conditions!
Finally, Teturkhan, I think you need to produce a brief "mission statement" to be put on CFC's main page (heck, they already link to this thread). You should outline clearly what's going on, so that everyone understands. Right now, the poll seems to favor $5-10 extra -- but, half the voters think they're just paying so they don't have to download it!
Well, you can't download it for free.
Think of this: each new mod is created by one or two modmakers, possibly using some graphics from one or two other modders. The quality of the best of these mods (my personal favorite is Ancient Med.) is already very high. Now, imagine if ALL of the best modders got together and worked on some BRAND SPANKING NEW mods. They'll spend even MORE time on these mods, since they'll be compensated. I'm already amazed at what they do in their free time - I think we'd all be drooling to get our hands on what they produce under these new conditions!
Finally, Teturkhan, I think you need to produce a brief "mission statement" to be put on CFC's main page (heck, they already link to this thread). You should outline clearly what's going on, so that everyone understands. Right now, the poll seems to favor $5-10 extra -- but, half the voters think they're just paying so they don't have to download it!
Copernicus
Chieftain
I called Tet and others "modders." However, if this works, they won't be modders anymore. They'll be a group of programmers contracted by Firaxis to work on a new expansion...doesn't sound too much different from Breakaway, eh?
Those who say, "Current mods aren't to my liking," shouldn't base their opinion on what current mods are like. This will go far beyond that, to the level of professionally created content.
I know, that was two other points. So shoot me for being excited.
Those who say, "Current mods aren't to my liking," shouldn't base their opinion on what current mods are like. This will go far beyond that, to the level of professionally created content.
I know, that was two other points. So shoot me for being excited.
widdowmaker
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If they did this. *****YOU WOULD *NEVER BE *ABLE *TO DOWNLOAD* THIS *CONTENT!***** EVER! You would get 100 new units and 10 complete new civs. ( this is the net cd, not C3C) You would get 5 new terrian types, And maybe even a few new atributes. You would also get a Compeletly re-worked version made better by the mod makers of things like DyP, and TETurken. Those would be no longer downloadable.
And before you call it a labor of love know this. I was a Modder for Neverwinter Nights, among other games. It is hard. Very hard. I would like ANY of you to create a DyP mod in any reasonable ammount of time and say "HELL! I wiant to give this away for free!". YOu wont belive me. I spent a year building a mod for NWN A whole year. I slaved every day from 4pm to 10 pm and i made one of the best mods. Me and 36 other people made that mod. Now it is going into print and will be sold in book form as a DnD campaign. IT was alos featuered by Bioware as one of the best mods made.
Modders should be paid. Infact it could be a new type of job. A company with resources (thats firaxis/atari) makes a game thats moddable. A book ships with it called "FOR MODDERS!" It says
"If you make a mod and wish to be paid for it do not release it on the net or to anyone else. Please email <insert email here> for more details."
If they send their mod to firaxis/atari they will have to sign a contract saying they will never take legal action against that company. FOr copyright infringement or anything else.
Also modders CANT copywrite their mods. IT was Civs source code so it legal belongs to Firaxis/Atari. I learned that when i tried to copywrite my material on NWN. I got an email from Bioware. If you bought this it woudl look like this.
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All non-downloadable. C3C has MUCH less than this. IT works out for the company because they get 100's of cheap workers. Modders dont want 100 per hour like programmers. They would be happy with 10. It works out for the modder because they get paid and it makes their games better. IT worksout for the users because the companys dont pay 100 pr hour for 100 people. Now that just pay 10 for 1000. They lower price of games getting more buyers and turn a better profit. Good ideas eh.
Please forgive the lenght of the post
And before you call it a labor of love know this. I was a Modder for Neverwinter Nights, among other games. It is hard. Very hard. I would like ANY of you to create a DyP mod in any reasonable ammount of time and say "HELL! I wiant to give this away for free!". YOu wont belive me. I spent a year building a mod for NWN A whole year. I slaved every day from 4pm to 10 pm and i made one of the best mods. Me and 36 other people made that mod. Now it is going into print and will be sold in book form as a DnD campaign. IT was alos featuered by Bioware as one of the best mods made.
Modders should be paid. Infact it could be a new type of job. A company with resources (thats firaxis/atari) makes a game thats moddable. A book ships with it called "FOR MODDERS!" It says
"If you make a mod and wish to be paid for it do not release it on the net or to anyone else. Please email <insert email here> for more details."
If they send their mod to firaxis/atari they will have to sign a contract saying they will never take legal action against that company. FOr copyright infringement or anything else.
Also modders CANT copywrite their mods. IT was Civs source code so it legal belongs to Firaxis/Atari. I learned that when i tried to copywrite my material on NWN. I got an email from Bioware. If you bought this it woudl look like this.
New Civ
New Civ
New Civ
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All non-downloadable. C3C has MUCH less than this. IT works out for the company because they get 100's of cheap workers. Modders dont want 100 per hour like programmers. They would be happy with 10. It works out for the modder because they get paid and it makes their games better. IT worksout for the users because the companys dont pay 100 pr hour for 100 people. Now that just pay 10 for 1000. They lower price of games getting more buyers and turn a better profit. Good ideas eh.
Please forgive the lenght of the post
Kinda think it's a good idea, especially for those of us who have slow internet connections (though I'm soon to get broadband -- yay) and are not able to download everything that's out there, even if it does look great. Plus by including third party work with official expansions it encourages developers to contribute and gives them something else to work towards.
Maybe I should get around to releasing my Mythic UK & Ireland mod, and my new ancient Europe & Mediterranean mod...
Maybe I should get around to releasing my Mythic UK & Ireland mod, and my new ancient Europe & Mediterranean mod...
smcSoon
or maybe later.
I think it's a fine idea, but the price point is going to be crucial.
I'm definitely going to buy C3C, but in the past there have been very few expansion packs that gave me good value for money relative to the price of the original game - especially at UK prices.
Even now, a quick search gave me Civ3 at CDN$67 and PTW at CDN$54. Does PTW deliver 80% more entertainment than Civ3 on it's own?
I'm definitely going to buy C3C, but in the past there have been very few expansion packs that gave me good value for money relative to the price of the original game - especially at UK prices.
Even now, a quick search gave me Civ3 at CDN$67 and PTW at CDN$54. Does PTW deliver 80% more entertainment than Civ3 on it's own?
"Think of this: each new mod is created by one or two modmakers, possibly using some graphics from one or two other modders. The quality of the best of these mods (my personal favorite is Ancient Med.) is already very high. Now, imagine if ALL of the best modders got together and worked on some BRAND SPANKING NEW mods. They'll spend even MORE time on these mods, since they'll be compensated. I'm already amazed at what they do in their free time - I think we'd all be drooling to get our hands on what they produce under these new conditions!"
Nothing here saying it 'CANT' just be downloaded. Mods and Scenarios are the only good thing about civilization and thats because of free working conditions. Why does it have to be too serious? I accept a lot of time goes into them but for me i think credit is enough. I dont see whats changed to possibly make 'Money' involved. If its gonna be so nice of these guys to give us this wonderful gift why cant it just be free? I mean £30 is enough as it is for just an expansion. People should just work and if they dont work because money isnt involved in the future then whats the point? These people work for themselves. I dont also think the consequences to the customization community has even been seen yet. I see whatya guys are getting at but why cantya just make a website with all this work so its all together if thats the point.
Nothing here saying it 'CANT' just be downloaded. Mods and Scenarios are the only good thing about civilization and thats because of free working conditions. Why does it have to be too serious? I accept a lot of time goes into them but for me i think credit is enough. I dont see whats changed to possibly make 'Money' involved. If its gonna be so nice of these guys to give us this wonderful gift why cant it just be free? I mean £30 is enough as it is for just an expansion. People should just work and if they dont work because money isnt involved in the future then whats the point? These people work for themselves. I dont also think the consequences to the customization community has even been seen yet. I see whatya guys are getting at but why cantya just make a website with all this work so its all together if thats the point.
I'd pay whatever Firaxis want to charge..........hey, I'm a CivFanatic after all!
BUT, Firaxis would have to take responsibility for the upkeep of any mods under their name (viz. issue patches correcting bugs)..........I want the mods in the hands of the Businessmen/Professionals.......but it's okay for the "enthusiasts" to write 'em and give/sell/consign to Firaxis.
I hope Firaxis will seriously consider any serious practical business proposition from the "independent subcontractors"!
BUT, Firaxis would have to take responsibility for the upkeep of any mods under their name (viz. issue patches correcting bugs)..........I want the mods in the hands of the Businessmen/Professionals.......but it's okay for the "enthusiasts" to write 'em and give/sell/consign to Firaxis.
I hope Firaxis will seriously consider any serious practical business proposition from the "independent subcontractors"!
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